29-05-2013, 07:16 PM
Albert Doyle Wrote:Gordon Gray Wrote:This is a remarkabley romantic notion. They compromised their position because they felt guilty? Do you really believe those guys in the bleachers at the Bethesda morgue, smoking their cigars, were capable off feeling guilt. These were ruthless people. And they were hell bent on destroying Communism. And they thought Kennedy was one. His approach to Castro was the final straw.
You're seeing proof here that the CIA is an anti-democratic entity whose very existence threatens the integrity of American democracy. When Truman signed it into being he was installing something that by its very nature would necessarily usurp and displace democracy.
Guilt can occur on the unconscious level. If you look at VietNam geographically it is the oriental equivalent of Cuba. Since the US had locked itself out of Cuba with the Missile Crisis agreements VietNam served the psy-ops equivalent of the US placing its proxy state underneath the growing power of Communist China and Russia. I guess the idea was to start a spread of democracy right in the craw of China and Russia just like Cuba was to the US. Psychologically the war hawks got their big bang in the assassination of the president which probably satisfied the feeling of powerlessness under Kennedy. Short of all out nuclear war they were then satisfied showing an American counter to the domino theory in SE Asia.
Albert: I could not disagree more. This counrty never invades another to "spread democracy". That is the myth they spin. Not in VietNam, not in the Middle East, not anywhere. Ever.
As to "guilt": you cannot be serious. These bastards are not capable of feeling any emotion except hatred and greed. Yes they "spun" the "domino theory" while questing for heroin.
If you have not read Dr A. McCoy's seminal book on "The Politics of Heroin and SE Asia", I suggest you look into it.
Dawn