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The Head Wounds Revisited
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Albert Rossi Wrote:
Gordon Gray Wrote:There is some confusion I believe about the two military guard units and their function. Boyajian's unit was a security team who's charge was to keep out reporters, curiosity seekers, and other unauthorized personnel. Then the was the multi service Honor guard(white gloves) who did not arrive until 8:00(after chasing a decoy ambulance). I think a number of witnesses confused the two in there recollections. Some should go through a time line, listing just who was where when, and who saw what when.

Gordon,

I have some concerns about O'Neill (less so about Sibert). But it is not my intention to start a discussion here about the relative merits of each witness. What I wanted to say here is that I've been mulling over your suggestion. I think it may in fact be very useful to do this: neutrally, outside the context of the rather parti-pris reconstructions given in Horne, no matter what you believe about the events at Bethesda. I might even give it a try, if no one else more qualified wants to.

The chronology needs to be detailed, and report only what witnesses or documents report, with little, if any, authorial intervention.**

I guess what I am proposing is to take Vincent M. Palamara, The JFK Medical Reference [ASSASSINATION RESEARCH / Vol. 4 No. 2]
© Copyright 2006 as a starting point and create a chronological version for Bethesda. Palamara is pre-Horne but is recent and compendious enough.

Unless you know of other resources like this. I took a quick look again at Ira David Wood III, "22 November 1963: A Chronology", Murder in Dealey Plaza, ed. Fetzer, pp. 17-118; he deals with some of this, but not in a detailed enough way concerning what we're interested in establishing.

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** P.S. Of course, the difficulty in remaining neutral will come when the time of an observation cannot be pinpointed by explicit indications and some internal argument will have to be offered, which then becomes interpretation. This sort of deduction needs to be clearly flagged as such.
Thanks Albert. Your input has been very helpful to me. I have no particular agenda when it comes to the medical evidence. I simply would like to get a better idea of what exactly happened. I have witnessed autopsies myself, and so I have no difficulty understanding Dr. Aguilar's explanations of how the wounds could appear different to the Dallas doctors and the autopsy witnesses. I do have difficulty explaining it others. I read through most of the ARRB depositions of the autopsy witnesses, as well as what HSCA interviews I could access on the internet, to see what I could find. Of course I didn't take notes, thinking that others had done this, and the answers would be clear. Apparently no one has, and this issue of body altering is such a contentious one, it is difficult to find an objective analysis that doesn't cherry pick evidence and testimony to fit their theory. Now I have a hard time remembering just who said what. The upshot of it was, however, that I could not piece together a coherent narrative, for any of the possible scenarios. I am going to try and go back and do this as I find the time. I find the Roshomon aspect of it all fascinating. If you do as well, let us know what you come up with.
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 13-06-2013, 04:14 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 13-06-2013, 08:04 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 13-06-2013, 08:46 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 13-06-2013, 09:38 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 14-06-2013, 12:42 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 14-06-2013, 12:46 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 14-06-2013, 06:45 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 14-06-2013, 07:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Vasilios Vazakas - 14-06-2013, 07:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 01:37 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 14-06-2013, 05:43 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 05:43 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 14-06-2013, 05:54 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 06:23 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 14-06-2013, 07:08 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 07:52 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 14-06-2013, 09:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 14-06-2013, 09:17 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 09:48 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 10:27 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 11:15 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 12:12 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 15-06-2013, 02:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 03:35 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 05:01 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 01:55 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 15-06-2013, 05:18 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 15-06-2013, 05:28 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 06:21 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 07:08 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 08:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 15-06-2013, 09:15 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 16-06-2013, 05:05 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 16-06-2013, 06:47 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 16-06-2013, 09:17 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 16-06-2013, 11:40 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 16-06-2013, 01:27 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 16-06-2013, 02:01 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 16-06-2013, 03:58 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 16-06-2013, 11:54 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 12:07 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 12:30 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 17-06-2013, 01:44 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 02:22 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 02:22 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 17-06-2013, 03:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 03:58 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 03:58 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 04:30 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 09:27 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 11:32 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 11:50 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 12:20 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 12:57 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 01:18 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Dawn Meredith - 17-06-2013, 01:49 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Tracy Riddle - 17-06-2013, 02:41 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 02:47 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 17-06-2013, 06:35 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 06:59 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 17-06-2013, 07:13 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 17-06-2013, 08:16 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 17-06-2013, 08:47 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 09:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 17-06-2013, 10:40 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 18-06-2013, 12:05 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 18-06-2013, 12:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 01:30 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 01:57 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 18-06-2013, 09:08 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 18-06-2013, 10:20 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 10:33 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 19-06-2013, 12:54 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 19-06-2013, 02:45 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 19-06-2013, 01:28 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 19-06-2013, 07:59 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 19-06-2013, 11:35 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 20-06-2013, 01:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 20-06-2013, 04:02 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 20-06-2013, 03:23 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 20-06-2013, 05:58 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 20-06-2013, 06:14 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 20-06-2013, 06:19 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 20-06-2013, 07:20 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 20-06-2013, 07:24 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 20-06-2013, 07:42 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 20-06-2013, 09:36 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 20-06-2013, 10:13 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 21-06-2013, 12:07 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 21-06-2013, 12:14 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 21-06-2013, 12:50 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 21-06-2013, 12:56 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 21-06-2013, 01:16 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 21-06-2013, 02:31 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 21-06-2013, 02:51 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Magda Hassan - 21-06-2013, 03:54 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 21-06-2013, 08:32 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 21-06-2013, 10:17 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 21-06-2013, 11:10 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Dawn Meredith - 21-06-2013, 12:21 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 21-06-2013, 01:39 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 21-06-2013, 04:14 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 21-06-2013, 04:22 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 21-06-2013, 06:35 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 21-06-2013, 07:05 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 22-06-2013, 10:21 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 22-06-2013, 05:36 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 23-06-2013, 02:35 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Tracy Riddle - 23-06-2013, 06:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013, 12:43 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Tracy Riddle - 24-06-2013, 01:28 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 24-06-2013, 01:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 24-06-2013, 03:58 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 24-06-2013, 04:22 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013, 05:28 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013, 05:36 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 24-06-2013, 12:56 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Tracy Riddle - 24-06-2013, 03:19 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 24-06-2013, 05:25 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jan Klimkowski - 24-06-2013, 07:18 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 25-06-2013, 01:00 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 25-06-2013, 02:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 25-06-2013, 07:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 25-06-2013, 09:40 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 25-06-2013, 11:02 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Ray Mitcham - 25-06-2013, 11:22 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 26-06-2013, 12:08 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 26-06-2013, 12:22 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 26-06-2013, 12:38 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 26-06-2013, 07:43 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Mike Crane - 02-07-2013, 06:31 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 02-07-2013, 07:58 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Mike Crane - 02-07-2013, 08:13 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 02-07-2013, 08:29 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Mike Crane - 02-07-2013, 08:55 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 02-07-2013, 09:32 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Mike Crane - 02-07-2013, 09:38 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Bernice Moore - 07-07-2013, 12:54 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 06-08-2013, 01:31 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 06-08-2013, 04:15 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 06-08-2013, 10:39 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim Hackett II - 06-08-2013, 11:09 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 06-08-2013, 06:26 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 07-08-2013, 04:36 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 07-08-2013, 07:25 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 08-08-2013, 03:53 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 08-08-2013, 07:25 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 08-08-2013, 06:21 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 08-08-2013, 09:12 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Ray Mitcham - 08-08-2013, 10:56 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 08-08-2013, 11:11 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 09-08-2013, 12:08 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-12-2013, 01:04 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 04-12-2014, 06:01 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 05-12-2014, 03:46 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Bob Prudhomme - 05-12-2014, 03:54 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 05-12-2014, 08:16 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 05-12-2014, 04:24 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Daniel Gallup - 05-12-2014, 05:51 PM

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