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The Head Wounds Revisited
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David Josephs Wrote:
Gordon Gray Wrote:A few more questions: We know that a shipping casket was delivered at 6:35, David's crew placed it in the ante chamber. Some assume it contained the president's body, but there is no actual verification. Hume says he observed the president's body shortly after that at 6:45 or thereabouts. How did the shipping casket get carried into the morgue proper? I doubt Humes and Boswell did it by themselves. Jenkins and OConnor didn't, they weren't there yet? David's team weren't there either. When did the Ceremonial Coffin get moved from the antechamber to the morgue proper? The FBI men suggest they brought it all the way in immediately on unloading it at 7:17. Were they lying or mistaken? They say they assisted in removing the president body immediately thereafter before being asked to leave for X Rays. Again are they lying or confused? Who placed the presidents body back into the Ceremonial Casket an carried it back to the amabulance? Why believe Osborne's account of a bullet falling out as the body was removed, but ignore the fact that he saw this body fully clothed? OConnor removed the body at around 8:00 but Humes sees it at 6:45? Custer says the X Rays were taken after the Y incision, but also says he saw the Kennedy entourage on his way to develop them. How does one decide who's memory is faulty and who's isn't? The facts are: a shipping casket was delivered at 6:35, a Ceremonial Casket was delivered at 7:17 and a Ceremonial Casket was redeliverd at 8:00. If we can find out who carried these caskets where, and when, we would have a much better idea of what actually occurred. These weren't hard questions to have asked, I am surprised we don't have the answers.


Gordon,

If you haven't already I'd suggest reading Best Evidence, Horne's chapters related to Bethesda and this very nice summary of the information:
http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Aftermath/ by Eaglesham and Rinnovatore
Also, you'd need to review the ARRB testimony of the key players....[size=12]
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btw Gordon - where did you find that Humes observed the body at 6:45 - which I happen to believe as he was in the morgue altering the body. But there is no evidence of this - i believe ??

Mr. SPECTER - What time did the autopsy start approximately?
Commander HUMES - The president's body was received at 25 minutes before 8, and the autopsy
began at approximately 8 p.m. on that evening. You must include the fact that certain X-rays and other examinations were made before the actual beginning of
the routine type autopsy examination.


Humes repeats the 7:35 time repeatedly over the years.... and with re3gards to the FBI's story - enough has been uncovered to show they were NOT in constant contact with the casket OR in the morgue the entire time...
But you'd have to read thru a few things first... You ask great questions yet the original works of these people explains all that... and you post as if you haven't even taken a moment to research yourself for some of these answers which have been convered extensively... probably right here on this forum.

The "Aftermath" article is very good.
DJ
I have read all of the sources you cited, and that's why I am asking these questions. Perhaps you can provide the answers. As to the Humes' time of 6:45, I am merely citing one of Lifton's posts above. He is quoting Humes' AARB testimony: When testifying before the ARRB, Humes was asked: when did you first see the body? His answer: 6: 45 pm.

Here's the exact quote, from the ARRB transcript:

Q: Dr. Humes, when did you first see the body of President Kennedy?:

A: I didn't look at my watch, if I even had a watch on, but I would guess it was 6:45 or 7 o'clock, something like that, (pause) approximately.
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 13-06-2013, 04:14 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 13-06-2013, 08:04 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 13-06-2013, 08:46 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 13-06-2013, 09:38 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 14-06-2013, 12:42 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 14-06-2013, 12:46 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 14-06-2013, 06:45 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 14-06-2013, 07:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Vasilios Vazakas - 14-06-2013, 07:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 01:37 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 14-06-2013, 05:43 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 05:43 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 14-06-2013, 05:54 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 06:23 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 14-06-2013, 07:08 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 07:52 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 14-06-2013, 09:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 14-06-2013, 09:17 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 09:48 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 14-06-2013, 10:27 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 14-06-2013, 11:15 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 12:12 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Jim DiEugenio - 15-06-2013, 02:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 03:35 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 05:01 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 01:55 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 15-06-2013, 05:18 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 15-06-2013, 05:28 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 06:21 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 15-06-2013, 07:08 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 15-06-2013, 08:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 15-06-2013, 09:15 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 16-06-2013, 05:05 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 16-06-2013, 06:47 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 16-06-2013, 09:17 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 16-06-2013, 11:54 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Doyle - 17-06-2013, 12:07 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 09:27 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 11:32 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 17-06-2013, 11:50 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 12:20 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 17-06-2013, 07:13 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 17-06-2013, 08:16 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Martin Hay - 17-06-2013, 09:10 PM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Albert Rossi - 18-06-2013, 12:05 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 18-06-2013, 12:41 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 01:30 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 18-06-2013, 10:33 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 19-06-2013, 12:54 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by Phil Dragoo - 20-06-2013, 01:26 AM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by Gordon Gray - 20-06-2013, 04:02 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Lifton - 23-06-2013, 02:35 AM
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The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 25-06-2013, 07:10 PM
The Head Wounds Revisited - by David Josephs - 25-06-2013, 09:40 PM
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