The Head Wounds Revisited

[Gordon Gray]

me in bold again....

David,
Sorry, about not responding to you sooner. I've been too busy to spend much time on forums the last couple of days. Still am really so just time for a brief response.
No worries Martin…knew you'd be back and around… wanted to leave a post for you to follow up on…

With regard to theReed/Ebersole disagreement, all that says to me is that there were two men who wanted to take all the credit for taking those historic X-rays. Human nature,I'm afraid. Nothing suspicious as far as I can see.
Well… there's takingcredit and outright lying. Ebersole fits that bill much more so than Reed or Custer. Ebersole being senior to both Reed and Custer (even though he had onlygotten Radiology certified in July 63) and Ebersole being questioned by the charade of the HSCA medical Panel…. Wefind him not even mentioning the names Reed/Custer in 26 pages of testimony. Whereas Reed nor Custer nor Ebersole (the ONLY radiology personnel present) were called to testify for the WC.
I will be starting a new post concentrating on Ebersole his HSCA testimony is a microcosm of the entire cover-up I hope you take the time to read it and comment… probably later today.

Question: how many people said they saw the head wound being enlarged/altered/manipulated/whatever BEFORE the first set of X-rays weretaken? I don't know of any. Reading the eyewitness accounts, the chronology is clear. The first thing Humes and Boswell did was take X-rays of the skull. Then they reflected the scalp, sawed the skull, and removed the brain. So before any"alteration" occurred, they had documented the head wounds.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could add a timeline to your comments.
WHEN are you saying the body arrived?
WHEN are you saying the first incision occurred?
WHEN was the first and last xray taken?(I will return tothis in a minute)
Were you aware that the three (3) xrays in the archives of JFK's chest/abdomendo NOT have the metallic markers all the other have… and these three were determined to have been taken AFTER the organs had been removed… I challengeyou to find anyone present who stated xrays were taken AFTER the Y incision and AFTER the organs were removed.
I am going to saythat if Dennis David and Boyijian are correct, the only people in the morgue with JFK between 6:35 and the first xrays is Humes, Ebersole and Boswell, possibly some seniorstaff, and Kellerman who gets there around 7pm.

Reed did indeed see Humes sawing the skull and, as I pointed out before, Humes testified to doing so in order to remove the brain. Finck, by his own admission, was not even present when the head wound was opened up and the brain was removed so he had no personal knowledge of what actually happened and was obviously mistaken. That's all there is to that.
Chalking things up to simple mistakes and moving on Martin is a bit too naïve for me. Finck specifically said that no sawing of the skull was necessary.
Reed sees the metal coffin on the floor surrounded by Marines (the MDW was a mix of military David's group were Marines)… this MUST be at 6:45 (remember he said he had brought the portable x-ray equipment to the morgue before 4pm and was summoned after mess hall which ended at 5:30.)
Reed's ARRB p.32… after he sees the wounds he is asked to leave the morgue, he and Custer, to wait to be called TO START TAKING XRAYS… now, unless Ebersole is there at this time (again, see my essay to be posted) and takes xrays himself, and runs up to develop them himself… there were no xrays taken by Reed at this point…
He and Custer arecalled back down 15-20 minutes later to begin taking Xrays… Humes and Ebersole are there when they get back and instruct them on the taking of the xrays… REED runs them up for developing leaving Ebersole in the morgue… each film takes 5-6 minutes to develop… Let me say that again Martin…each XRAY takes 5-6 minutes on the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] floor to develop (not including positioning, taking and running theses xrays up and down… EACH ONE.
So one more time Martin… WHEN did JFK arrive at the morgue? WHEN did the autopsy begin? WHEN was the first incision? (the FBI reportis very helpful here)

ThePresident's body was removed from the casket in which it had been transportedand was placed on the autopsy table, at which time the complete body waswrapped in a sheet and the head area contained an additional wrapping which wassaturated with blood. Following the removal of the wrapping, it was ascertainedthat the President's clothing had been removed and it was also apparent that a tracheotomy had been performed, as well as surgery of the head area, namely,in the top of the skull. All personnel with the exception of medical officers needed in the taking ofphotographs and X-Rays were requested to leave the autopsy room and remain inan adjacent room.
Upon completion ofX-Rays and photographs, the first incision was made at 8:15 p.m.

Think on this carefully Martin… please. If it takes 5-6 minutes to develop an xray… and there were at least 11 xrays according tothe same FBI report (yet we know there were many more)…
Please explain when these 11-16 xrays were taken so they would be completed by 8:15. Or how there are three more xrays that supposedly show no internal organs post Y-incision yet also have no marking like the rest of the xrays… (Did Mantik ever do anything about the OTHER xrays,not of the skull?)

I'm finding your graphic confusing so can't offer much byway of meaningful comment.
I'll just note that, with at least (in most cases) 15 years between the autopsy and going on the record about what they saw, I'm not surprised at all that various witnesses gave conflicting accounts, were unsure or just plain wrong about certain details. I just think it's a shame that people don't take this into consideration when they're constructing theirtheories and try to take every word each witness offered as completely factual.Such an approach is doomed to fail as anyone who has given any thought to thefrailty of human memory will understand.
I'm not going to play that game either Martin… even faulty memories can be corroborated and authenticated… The WC did not call any one of the three radiologists in the absenceof the xrays and photos to help them understand what occurred. This is NOT about human frailty but orchestrated conspiracy and treason.

With regard to the graphic… The arrows suggest the camera'sPOV for the two photos… if they were taken in the Morgue there has to be aplace for the camera and the background to the photo MUST match the morgue somewhere.
WHERE would the camera be to take the left side photo so that there is a phone, tile wall, and opening? Or whateverto the left on that wall…
Same for the Death Stare photo. There are NEVER wooden items in a morgue… and those that have seen the photo confirm it…

But that's beside the point… Give me the timing as YOU see it and include the taking and developing of 11 xrays prior to 8:15.

DJ

David, you ask for a time line. I have supplied one per Reed. Why not address that? There are serious conflicts between it and your theory of body alteration IMO.