20-06-2013, 09:36 PM
David J.,
You Write: "I challenge you to find anyone present who stated xrays were taken AFTER the Y incision and AFTER the organs were removed."
I already did. Dr. Finck wrote in his report to General Blumberg that "The brain, the heart and the lungs had been removed before my arrival." He then goes on to say that after probing of the back wound failed to reveal the location of a bullet, "I suggest X ray films be taken...of the entire body, before going any further withthe autopsy. This radiologic survey does not reveal any major missile in the President's cadaver." (ARRB MD28) That's what he said. Whether he is correct or not I do not know. He's certainlyc ontradicted by a good number of witnesses.
Youwrite: "WHEN are you saying the body arrived?"
The record is obviously muddled and contradictory and I will not pretend to know exactly when the body arrived. Nor will I pretend to see it as a big deal. Humes said in his ARRB deposition that it was somewhere around 6:45 to 7:00 P.M. Francis O'Neil said the body arrived at the morgue between 7:00 and 7:05. James Sibert apparently told Arlen Specter that preparation for the autopsy began 7:17. So I guess I'd go for somewhere around the 7 P.M. mark.
You write: "WHEN are you saying the first incision occurred?"
I'd say Sibert and O'Neil's report is the best evidence we have on this, being contemporaneous. So approximately 8:15 P.M.
Youwrite: "WHEN was the first and last xray taken?( I will return to this in a minute)"
I don't know and neither do you. No one that I know of noted the exact times.
David, I'm still struggling to see what you're getting at here. I guess you're trying to say that there wasn't enough time for all the X-rays to have been taken before the first incision. It seems to me that they had around an hour and that's plenty of time but I'm sure you'll disagree. But the thing is, the testimony establishes that the X-rays of the skull were taken before the skull wound was enlarged. Therefore the X-rays show the wound in its original state. What more needs to be said? If you're suggesting that there was a secret pre-autopsy in which the head wound was enlarged BEFORE the X-rays were taken, then why do the X-rays show the occipital bone largely intact? Were the X-rays altered to hide the alteration? If so, what was the point of the alteration? Please explain what you're getting at.
You say that when Ed Reed arrives "he see a shipping casket and sees the body with Humes, Ebersole and Boswell among others....No Sibert, No O'Neill, No ceremonial casket, No Greer". Where in his deposition does he say that? When is he asked who was present when he arrived?
You Write: "I challenge you to find anyone present who stated xrays were taken AFTER the Y incision and AFTER the organs were removed."
I already did. Dr. Finck wrote in his report to General Blumberg that "The brain, the heart and the lungs had been removed before my arrival." He then goes on to say that after probing of the back wound failed to reveal the location of a bullet, "I suggest X ray films be taken...of the entire body, before going any further withthe autopsy. This radiologic survey does not reveal any major missile in the President's cadaver." (ARRB MD28) That's what he said. Whether he is correct or not I do not know. He's certainlyc ontradicted by a good number of witnesses.
Youwrite: "WHEN are you saying the body arrived?"
The record is obviously muddled and contradictory and I will not pretend to know exactly when the body arrived. Nor will I pretend to see it as a big deal. Humes said in his ARRB deposition that it was somewhere around 6:45 to 7:00 P.M. Francis O'Neil said the body arrived at the morgue between 7:00 and 7:05. James Sibert apparently told Arlen Specter that preparation for the autopsy began 7:17. So I guess I'd go for somewhere around the 7 P.M. mark.
You write: "WHEN are you saying the first incision occurred?"
I'd say Sibert and O'Neil's report is the best evidence we have on this, being contemporaneous. So approximately 8:15 P.M.
Youwrite: "WHEN was the first and last xray taken?( I will return to this in a minute)"
I don't know and neither do you. No one that I know of noted the exact times.
David, I'm still struggling to see what you're getting at here. I guess you're trying to say that there wasn't enough time for all the X-rays to have been taken before the first incision. It seems to me that they had around an hour and that's plenty of time but I'm sure you'll disagree. But the thing is, the testimony establishes that the X-rays of the skull were taken before the skull wound was enlarged. Therefore the X-rays show the wound in its original state. What more needs to be said? If you're suggesting that there was a secret pre-autopsy in which the head wound was enlarged BEFORE the X-rays were taken, then why do the X-rays show the occipital bone largely intact? Were the X-rays altered to hide the alteration? If so, what was the point of the alteration? Please explain what you're getting at.
You say that when Ed Reed arrives "he see a shipping casket and sees the body with Humes, Ebersole and Boswell among others....No Sibert, No O'Neill, No ceremonial casket, No Greer". Where in his deposition does he say that? When is he asked who was present when he arrived?