The Splintering Frame

[David Josephs]

I would quibble with you, David, but basically we're in-tune.

Very glad to hear that Charles... I'd prefer not to quibble at all... Also great to be reading your posts again, glad you're back.

The frame concept then can be extended to the pacification of the masses ...

We're out-of-tune on "pacification". After all, forced focus has been used to drive the masses to acts of individual and collective violence.

I probably did not articulate very well... at the same time these masses are driven to these acts... millions upon million barely pick their heads up from grazing long enough to know what day it is....
this as a direct result of an assult on our senses - both from within via a host of chemicals and from without via a mass media and entertainment byte sized culture - the dumbing down of America

IDK about you, but in my mind the case was solved ...

Within minutes, as it happened. But "solved" only in terms of its conspiratorial nature.
Ok... we definitely do not know the specific WHO... and I know we are at odds over the actual Sponsors... the more I look the more Adm Anderson and Gen LeMay appear in charge... not the kind of men who take orders from outside the chain of command very well.... as I wrote before... the "supra nationals" will always find a way to profit. The killing of the president, imo, required more than just a profit motive... along with the discipline to carry it out and ensure silence beyond that of death... Omerta was and probably still is the way of the military...

... we needn't name the cogs, the spokes or the rim...

EXTREME disagreement here. See below.
Will address below as well...

... it is enough to KNOW AND UNDERSTAND that a military coup d'etat occurred on 11/22/63 in the grand ole US of A...

God, no!

It may be enough as a first step on a long journey to recovery. And I disagree that the Dallas coup d'etat was "military" in nature -- if, that is, you use the modifier to indicate that you believe military officers to be among the conspiracy's Sponsors.

Charles, I keep a copy of the DPF Sponsor/Facilitator/Mechanic note you wrote:
SPONSORS -- Those with the authority and motive to sanction the assassination and the connections to engage facilitating agents and systems.
Among them in my opinion: the most powerful supra-national entities who were -- and are -- above Cold War and Clash of Civilization cosmetic differences.

"Those with the authority and motive to sanction the assassination and the connections to engage facilitating agents and systems"So yes Charles... based on this definition I believe that a Navy Admiral and Army General have all of these at their disposal... The CIA were military men, the FBI the same, the intelligence apparatus of the military had been in full swing will before the birth of Allen Dulles. The Congressmen and President served the military... At the end of the day, if the military is not on your side, no coup will work. I think this as a military action has been underplayed as effectively as the MAfia did it, has been overplayed.

However: A "military style ambush"? Absolutely. A conspiracy facilitated by active duty and retired military officers? Absolutely
Agree

... we are still at a place where WE THE PEOPLE cannot admit such an event is even possible let alone having actually happened... the "solving" of this puzzle, the clarifying of the picture in the frame comprises an examination into the depth of human existence and depravity.

Pretty much agreed to.

The rest of the world sees and understands these forces -

Absolutely not.

Words and their meanings are important.

I submit that very few of even the most seasoned, insightful investigators of deep political phenomena truly "understand" the history, agendas, and goals of the forces arrayed against us. I can point to Peter Dale Scott, George Michael Evica, James Douglass, most likely Vincent Salandria, and to more narrowly focused yet significant degrees Peter Levenda and -- dare I write his name -- Robert Morningstar.

See, now I feel the complete opposite. Reading Sun Tzu and understanding the nature of man and his military history I find it a surprise to read you feel that these seasoned investigators do not understand these forces... What is the nature of the human being when presented with such forces....

Salandria's initial words to Gaeton establishes the very nature of the beast... yet I think the "THEY" he speaks of are not necessarily the "they" who did it, but were in a position to expand and strengthen. That there is an international "group" concerned with protecting their wealth and power who also wield this power over situations affecting their best interests both large and small - there is no argument. Pepsi was supposedly processing heroin in Laos... those involved may have wanted JFK out of the way but SPONSOR and ASSASSINATION? Wasn't it basically the military men within the CIA who did these things.... with the sponsorship of Mr. Prouty and those he worked for... ??


"The tyranny of power is here. Current events tell us that those who
killed (DJ:benefit from the killing of) Kennedy can only perpetuate their power by* promoting social upheaval
both at home and abroad. And that will lead not to revolution but to
repression. I suggest to you, my friend, that the interests of those who
killed [B](DJ:benefit from the killing of) Kennedy now transcend national boundaries and national priorities.
No doubt we are dealing now with an international conspiracy
(Again - the conspiracy to profit from the situation NEED NOT be from the same people who sponsored the killing and carried it out, an important distinction imo).
We must face that fact -- and not waste any more time micro-analyzing the
evidence. That's exactly what they want us to do. They have kept us
busy for so long. And I will bet, buddy, that is what will happen to
you. They'll keep you very, very busy and, eventually, they'll wear you
down."[/B]

I believe you to be suggesting -- quite accurately -- that people living in better-educated cultures informed by relatively sophisticated grasps of history and human behavior were quick to accept the truth of conspiracy.

But even they struggle futilely to penetrate the Stygian depths of the waters from which rose the beast who struck JFK -- and Tiberius and Gaius Gracchi, and Jesus Christ, and Teshunka Witko (Crazy Horse), and Mahatma Gandhi, and Abraham Lincoln, and Martin Luther King ... and the untold millions who make up the "collateral damage" of these assaults.

Men seasoned in the Arts of War and at the pinnacle of the military establishment could have decided they'd be better off with Johnson.
ONI was involved up to it's a$$ as was INS and DIA....

In my mind, there are no better "Scapegoats" in this than the CIA, Cubans and the Mafia.... when it was the MILITARY in the Military Industrial Congressional Complex
that held all the cards.... with the Industrial/Congressional part comprised of carpetbaggers picking over the carcass of the country that was left.

DJ