08-08-2013, 01:50 PM
"These guys" is a rather ill defined term. My sense is that the NSS and people in positions of power all pretty much have the same "paranoid" view of the world. Some will abuse their position of power more than others... perhaps most are just right wingers and not necessarily with no moral compass. The have always been and there always be people who get into the inside of the power structure with criminal minds, hidden agendas and will abuse their position to advance their agenda.
I am just guessing that the neocons flooded the MIC and the NSS and then wanted to find the excuses to move policy where they wanted it to go. There is some pretense as transparency and so starting a war and submitted bloated nonsense (seeming) procurement budgets is not possible. The MIC etc. is already sucking up too much and has too much discretionary power with no oversight.
In the early 60s intel was given the green light to engage in covert operations around the world. This was justified as the more effective foreign policy for the US (empire... and corporations which make up the Empire along with the military). There have been assassinations successful and not and support of rebels like the contras to remove popularly elected leftist governments. Any state that is not capitalist is deemed an enemy. The CIA ran rampant thru Latin America, Philippines and Africa and the ME installing and propping up pro capitalist authoritarian governments... The DOD sucked the US into disastrous wars in SE Asia which they did not win. The US talks democracy but acts fascist around the world. The PR is not impressing the oppressed. And the right (MIC-NSS- fascists-transnational corps) wanted to take of the gloves and with the collapse of the USSR become the planet's unchallenged bully installing puppets and taking whatever they wanted without challenge.
Right wing governments in EU etc fell right in line and their leaders were partners in corruption such as Noriega until they showed some independence and then were useless and taken down. Insurrection is the problem for the fascists and the more oppressive they are the more brazen the abuse the more fuel they provide to rebels, insurgency groups and so called terrorists... who struggle to get the empire off their backs and out of their lands. It's a very asymmetrical struggle.
The insurgencies believe that to win the empire will have to crumble from within.. a victim or its own corruption and excessive funding for military adventures which will bankrupt the country and plunge it into economic collapse. USSR seems to have fallen under the burden of too much spending on military defense... in the cold war. That is now taking place in the US-NATO empire. A democracy will not allow this to happen and so the US democracy has been devolved and exists in name only. US is a fascist state which is now collapsing under the burden of militarism and corruption. There is no means to change this trajectory. It will consume itself and turn the world into a vast neo feudal state or crumble. The outcome is yet to be determined.
The neocon fascist types are pushing for more and more control and less and less democracy and transparency. There's little left now. What we have is a veneer with no substance with a fascist agenda. But clearly not everyone inside the MIC-Military and NSS is active in promoting fascism... a fair amount are simply sadists who want to protect the greedy American way of life called a consumerist driven "free market".
We've seen how little accountability and oversight there is... how much of what the NSS and intel does is hidden and beyond scrutiny... how often policies are simply rubber stamped and hidden from the public. They lied big time about the breath and scope of the surveillance state... who created those programs and who is taking the surveillance data and what are they doing with it?
We've also seen how control and secrecy is protected with compartmentalization and plausible deniability... all done in service to allowing criminal behavior to go unnoticed.
The CD project and the vast conspiracy would involve hundreds if not thousands choreographed to precision without rehearsal. This alone makes the CD inside job conspiracy hard to swallow and the more likely one that insiders intent and changing foreign policy used intel to allow the supposed pretext for that new policy... even authoring the USAPATRIOT in advance. Think tanks like PNAC are pushing their agenda... why would they do it so openly?
The bureaucracy is tripping over itself.... it's only a matter of time before it shatters. But when it does these guys are not going gently into that good night, but with all their gins blazing.
I am just guessing that the neocons flooded the MIC and the NSS and then wanted to find the excuses to move policy where they wanted it to go. There is some pretense as transparency and so starting a war and submitted bloated nonsense (seeming) procurement budgets is not possible. The MIC etc. is already sucking up too much and has too much discretionary power with no oversight.
In the early 60s intel was given the green light to engage in covert operations around the world. This was justified as the more effective foreign policy for the US (empire... and corporations which make up the Empire along with the military). There have been assassinations successful and not and support of rebels like the contras to remove popularly elected leftist governments. Any state that is not capitalist is deemed an enemy. The CIA ran rampant thru Latin America, Philippines and Africa and the ME installing and propping up pro capitalist authoritarian governments... The DOD sucked the US into disastrous wars in SE Asia which they did not win. The US talks democracy but acts fascist around the world. The PR is not impressing the oppressed. And the right (MIC-NSS- fascists-transnational corps) wanted to take of the gloves and with the collapse of the USSR become the planet's unchallenged bully installing puppets and taking whatever they wanted without challenge.
Right wing governments in EU etc fell right in line and their leaders were partners in corruption such as Noriega until they showed some independence and then were useless and taken down. Insurrection is the problem for the fascists and the more oppressive they are the more brazen the abuse the more fuel they provide to rebels, insurgency groups and so called terrorists... who struggle to get the empire off their backs and out of their lands. It's a very asymmetrical struggle.
The insurgencies believe that to win the empire will have to crumble from within.. a victim or its own corruption and excessive funding for military adventures which will bankrupt the country and plunge it into economic collapse. USSR seems to have fallen under the burden of too much spending on military defense... in the cold war. That is now taking place in the US-NATO empire. A democracy will not allow this to happen and so the US democracy has been devolved and exists in name only. US is a fascist state which is now collapsing under the burden of militarism and corruption. There is no means to change this trajectory. It will consume itself and turn the world into a vast neo feudal state or crumble. The outcome is yet to be determined.
The neocon fascist types are pushing for more and more control and less and less democracy and transparency. There's little left now. What we have is a veneer with no substance with a fascist agenda. But clearly not everyone inside the MIC-Military and NSS is active in promoting fascism... a fair amount are simply sadists who want to protect the greedy American way of life called a consumerist driven "free market".
We've seen how little accountability and oversight there is... how much of what the NSS and intel does is hidden and beyond scrutiny... how often policies are simply rubber stamped and hidden from the public. They lied big time about the breath and scope of the surveillance state... who created those programs and who is taking the surveillance data and what are they doing with it?
We've also seen how control and secrecy is protected with compartmentalization and plausible deniability... all done in service to allowing criminal behavior to go unnoticed.
The CD project and the vast conspiracy would involve hundreds if not thousands choreographed to precision without rehearsal. This alone makes the CD inside job conspiracy hard to swallow and the more likely one that insiders intent and changing foreign policy used intel to allow the supposed pretext for that new policy... even authoring the USAPATRIOT in advance. Think tanks like PNAC are pushing their agenda... why would they do it so openly?
The bureaucracy is tripping over itself.... it's only a matter of time before it shatters. But when it does these guys are not going gently into that good night, but with all their gins blazing.