21-08-2013, 12:53 AM
I am at a loss for how anyone can maintain the POV that the Zfilm in the archives is in any way the original film that was shot... just as most of us here are when confronted with arguments FOR the WCR conclusions.
That the discussions we have related to timing and the zfilm are severely flawed based on not knowing the extent of the alterations
That the only thing we can know for sure is the one person who worked with the original, Dino, can tell us the briefing boards available are not what he created Saturday night...
He cannot tell us definitively what the differences are... understandable after all these years... anyone with an inkling of the extent of the conspiracy would smartly shut up and go away.
Zavada himself could not state in any of his analysis that the "in-camera original" he examined is without a doubt the film developed into 0183 on 11/22.
The only arguments you'll ever hear are based on the process, the timing, the "why's" and "what-if's" but not the content or the physical realities of what is seen.
As in the reason for this forum... once we agree to get past the argument over zfilm authenticity we can concentrate on WHEN and HOW.
given the images published by LIFE, a series of FRAMES, at the very least, were altered and prepared for publication prior to them being identified, chosen and inserted.
February 25, 1964
Life showed the original film several times to Warren Commission, FBI and Secret Service personnel, and then offered to make 35mm color slides of frames 171-334, which covered what was thought to be all of the assassination.
I suggest a very careful look into the reasoning behind identifying this range of frames... Hickey looking at a shot hitting the street pre z176 is gone, and the FBI's model showing a shot at z375 is not to be included.
A discussion of 132/133 is removed as is the discussion about the wide turn onto Elm.
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So what appears AFTER 334? A view of the exiting headwound in the right rear z359 - this is a poor frame yet what I have and you can still see the skull in the right rear, under a flap of scalp and hair.
Finally, let's also remember that the copies of the film, by Saturday morning, had been cut and spliced to only show a section of the assassination.
What was actually shown - literally the frames and scens projected - does not seem to be proveable.... but since the original might not be shown repeatedly for fear of "damage"
we really have no way of knowing if 171-334 was looped in 0186 and shown, or a rearranged 0187 or 0185 was shown with chunks taken out... if one looks at the film maps created... seems most anything is possible at the pont prior to splicing pieces and parts together.
DJ
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That the discussions we have related to timing and the zfilm are severely flawed based on not knowing the extent of the alterations
That the only thing we can know for sure is the one person who worked with the original, Dino, can tell us the briefing boards available are not what he created Saturday night...
He cannot tell us definitively what the differences are... understandable after all these years... anyone with an inkling of the extent of the conspiracy would smartly shut up and go away.
Zavada himself could not state in any of his analysis that the "in-camera original" he examined is without a doubt the film developed into 0183 on 11/22.
The only arguments you'll ever hear are based on the process, the timing, the "why's" and "what-if's" but not the content or the physical realities of what is seen.
As in the reason for this forum... once we agree to get past the argument over zfilm authenticity we can concentrate on WHEN and HOW.
given the images published by LIFE, a series of FRAMES, at the very least, were altered and prepared for publication prior to them being identified, chosen and inserted.
February 25, 1964
Life showed the original film several times to Warren Commission, FBI and Secret Service personnel, and then offered to make 35mm color slides of frames 171-334, which covered what was thought to be all of the assassination.
I suggest a very careful look into the reasoning behind identifying this range of frames... Hickey looking at a shot hitting the street pre z176 is gone, and the FBI's model showing a shot at z375 is not to be included.
A discussion of 132/133 is removed as is the discussion about the wide turn onto Elm.
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So what appears AFTER 334? A view of the exiting headwound in the right rear z359 - this is a poor frame yet what I have and you can still see the skull in the right rear, under a flap of scalp and hair.
Finally, let's also remember that the copies of the film, by Saturday morning, had been cut and spliced to only show a section of the assassination.
What was actually shown - literally the frames and scens projected - does not seem to be proveable.... but since the original might not be shown repeatedly for fear of "damage"
we really have no way of knowing if 171-334 was looped in 0186 and shown, or a rearranged 0187 or 0185 was shown with chunks taken out... if one looks at the film maps created... seems most anything is possible at the pont prior to splicing pieces and parts together.
DJ
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Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter