Why didn't the hippies get into the jfk assassination ?

[Cliff Varnell]

Folks,

How in HELL did this thread transform into Satanism?

It's a natural progression from the title of the thread -- "Why didn't the hippies get into the jfk assassination?"

It has been suggested that the hippies were drugged up and their culture a creature of MK/Ultra.

It has been suggested that such notorious 60's figures as Charles Manson and Anton LaVey may have played a part in "sinister forces" controlled by elite Unspeakable interests.

I argue otherwise.

Cliff,may I suggest that you start a new thread about punk rock.I don't mean this in a hostile way,but at this point,with all the youtube videos posted,my old clunker computer can barely load this thread anymore.

Again,this is not hostile.I think it would be great to have a punk rock thread.I really enjoyed your stories about your adventures in Reno,and creating hard-core punk there,as at the same time,we were doing the same thing,only we were playing Grateful Dead songs,and improvising around poetry.We also could never find a drummer,so I can relate to your expieriences.LOL

So,put something real cool together.Magda can move these punk rock videos to the new thread.They just don't belong here.

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I find it important to look at the long view of 60's culture and observe what followed in these various locales.

It has been suggested that there was a "drug and music movement" which emerged from Laurel Canyon in 1966.

This is false. It's important to see what music arose out of what cities to see where particular "movements" came from. This is crucial to the charge made that the USG "created" the counter-culture in Laurel Canyon.

The pyschedelic movement came out of San Francisco '65-'67. The arts scene in Laurel Canyon was already well established before the arrival of LSD, so there was no "movement" spearheaded there. They were following San Francisco.

The country-rock phenomenon emerged from Laurel Canyon later in the decade. It eventually gave us the Eagles.

In New York the Velvet Underground and Andy Warhol were influenced by psychedelics but -- get right down to brass tacks -- New York New York was more about heroin and S&M than acid and free love.

After a healthy dose of Detroit rocknoll -- MC5, the Stooges -- the Big Apple eventually gave us the New York Dolls, and then the Ramones.

It's important to keep the trajectory of these developments in mind when evaluating the claim that the USG conspired to create the "counter-culture."

Music trends seem to defy such top down models.