08-06-2009, 07:51 PM
David Guyatt Wrote:Jan, you'll remember a post here on the forum which repeated comments made by Old Mother Hubbard's son who stated that his dad was into occult focused S & M because certain occult practices of extreme pain and abuse create a sort of power focus or surge (I forget the exact words but this is what he was saying in point of fact).
Exactement.
For instance, here:
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...d.php?t=61
David Guyatt Wrote:It might be of interest to note that Franz Anton Mesmer, regarded as the originator of hypnosis (Mesmerism) was a Freemason. For his theory, Mesmer drew on Newton's ideas that there were tides in the human body that were influenced by the Moon and planets.
But I'm quite certain that exerting influence over others via hypnosis has far deeper and far, far older occult roots.
Yes. And the study of hypnotic or dissociative states was right at the heart of early mind control research:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Dixie - welcome to Deep Politics Forum!
You are correct that memory is a very strange thing. Artists like Marcel Proust have written thousands of exquisite pages about its fluctuations and mystical nature.
The issue with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation is not whether some memories are "false". Of course some memories do not represent a true, or entirely accurate, account of past events.
The issue is rather that the FMSF was set up in 1992, precisely when many victims of covert "mind control" programmes such as MK-ULTRA were remembering horrible experiments that had been perpetrated on them - often as children.
The scientists involved in these covert "mind control" programmes knew the principles of creating dissociative states and false memories through narco-hypnosis. They also had access to the raw materials - chemical and human - needed.
It's important to state, on the historical record, that much of the focus of Bluebird/Artichoke/MK-ULTRA research was directed towards the creation of dissociative states in order to be able to manipulate them (for whatever precise purposes an operation demanded).
For instance, Dr Louis Jolyon West was the Top Secret Contractor for MK-ULTRA Sub-project 43: "Studies of dissociated states" (1956).
The first page is stamped: "WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND METHODS INVOLVED". The first page includes the following words written by West:
Quote:"The literature concerning clinical entities ordinarily considered to constitute the dissociative reactions is fairly well limited to case-studies of patients with fugues, amnesia, somnambulisms, and multiple personalities.(quoted on p107, Ross, "The CIA Doctors")
"Unpublished studies by the writer have led him to a greatly expanded concept of dissociation. Dissociative phenomena are found in everyday life. Such manifestations include "highway hypnosis", states of "fascination" in flyers, hypnagogic and phantasy hallucinations, transient anaesthesias, and many other examples. These reactions have many features in common with a variety of clinical disorders including "sleep paralysis", trance states, Gilles de la Tourette's disease, latah, "Arctic hysteria", and a number of other disturbances in addition to the well-known dissociative reactions of the text-books.
"There is considerable experimental evidence pointing to the significant role played by dissociative mechanisms in the production of the various phenomena of hypnosis. In fact, hypnosis may be considered a pure-culture, laboratory controlled dissociative reaction. Of the entire phenomenology of the various states described above, there is not one single manifestation which cannot be produced experimentally in the hypnotic subject. Thus, through the use of hypnosis as a laboratory device, the dissociative mechanisms can be studied with a high degree of objectivity."
One can guess at what MK-ULTRA doctor, West, is referring to by his "unpublished studies". It is also revealing that West states emphatically, in 1956, that "of the entire phenomenology of the various states described above, there is not one single manifestation which cannot be produced experimentally in the hypnotic subject".
And the author of this TOP SECRET memo about MK-ULTRA research that he has conducted on humans is the very same Louis Jolyon West who became a key member of the board of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation in 1992.
Check out the link I provided in the first post in this thread listing the background of key FMSF board members.
West's background was not a mistake, or an anamoly. It was the norm for the psyop known as the False Memory Syndrome Foundation.
http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/....php?t=122
David Guyatt Wrote:And as you know the whole background of mind control stems from techniques based on hypnotic induction. If memory serves David Ferrie was a skilled hypnotist and gay and a paedophile.
Them thar traveling Bishops eh.
They shure do get around. A few of those SMOMy wandering bishops were spotted in the altiplano recently, trying to run a coup against indigenous Bolivians....
:vroam:
However, Morales' secret service actually did their job, and protected their President from assassination......
David Guyatt Wrote:I am not one of those who have a very high regard for sex as a means of attaining Nirvana. I would argue that this is "low" technique - a power/control energizer if you will. "Higher" techniques focus entirely on the alchemical marriage of the opposites that is the raw matter of the human psyche.
My guess is that Kubrick was speaking of these matters from the perspective of power and control.
I often think of the film Matrix and the analogy of humans being batteries of energy for the wicked world of machines.
I agree.
Sex magick is low grade diversion for the masses. No pot of gold at the end of that rainbow. Apart from Those obsessed with Power and Control.
Eyes Wide Shut is absolutely about Power and Control.
How Power and Control is wielded.
In whose interests Power and Control is wielded.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."
Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon
"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war