John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee

[David Josephs]

Thanks for the well thought out response Bruce - I hope to do it some justice:

Since Voebel claims that the last time he saw Lee was some time in the
summer of 1955, this would mean that Voebel had known "Lee Oswald"
since about January 1954, and ONLY one "Lee Oswald". So if you want
to go with the Warren Commission, there is NO two Oswalds.

Again Bruce, if you want to go with the WCR you must be prepared to accept MANY lies as truth.

Ed VOEBEL does not know LEE until OCTOBER 1954... he met HARVEY in early 1954 just after he turned 14 and was obviously going thru "changes" like the rest of the boys that age.

I will say once again: THE PROOF OF HARVEY OSWALD ATTENDING BJHS IN 1953-54 IS :
1) THE CUMULATIVE & INDIVIDUAL BJHS GRADE CARDS SHOWING 2 CLASSES WITH GRADES IN THE LAST TERM of the 1ST SEMESTER OF THE 53-54 8TH GRADE SCHOOL YEAR. While LEE was supposedly still in NYC at PS44
2) THE PHOTO OF MO AT 126 EXCHANGE WHILE LEE & his mother LIVED AT 1454 St. Mary's - Murtle Evans' place
3) The memories of Myra DeRouse, Dorothy Duvik, Mr/Mrs Evans, Lillian Murret and Ed Voebel... to name a few.
4) Myra taking HARVEY home to 126 Exchange while LEE is living on St Mary's

LEE and MO do not move to Exchange until April 1955 where VOEBEL does visit LEE and sees the real mother who he says is NOT who he recognizes as Mrs. O.

I would also emphasize that the one image of Oswald that everyone refers
to is the 1955 Beauregard Junior High School Yearbook photo of "Lee
Oswald" that would have been taken in the fall of 1954. John Armstrong
seemingly refuses to deal with this CRUCIAL piece of evidence. I know, David,
that you believe this photo is "Lee". In a subsequent post I will try
to put together a timeline of classroom photos of "Lee Harvey Oswald"
from elementary school up to that 1955 Beauregard yearbook photo to demonstrate
beyond a reasonable doubt that there is NO WAY that this 1955 Beauregard
yearbook photo is the kid who grew up in Ft. Worth.

I wrote John Armstrong to ask about the 54-55 yearbook photo and why he thinks that is HARVEY... Will let you know ASAP.

John A says he believes it is HARVEY even though the yearbook suggests it is LEE - but that the photo has alwyas been of concern to him...

The people who printed the yearbook told him that :
IF A STUDENT WAS SICK, ABSENT, ETC. ON THE DAY PHOTOS WERE TAKEN THEY WOULD USE THE PHOTO FROM EITHER
THE PREVIOUS YEAR OR RE-TAKE THE PHOTO AT THEIR STUDIO

yet there is a list of those without photos in the yearbook.... (please rememebr that we are looking at a single record comprised of two student's history - FAKED AND FORGED documents designed to tell a story.
And they simply do nothing but give themselves away.)



HARVEY arrives at BJHS in the FALL of 1953, not 1954... photos taken for the 54-55 yearbook in SEPT 54 could not possibly be HARVEY
HARVEY IS LONG GONE attending Stripling and living at 2220 Thomas. So I fail to see how it can be HARVEY.

The FIRST and one of the only PHOTOs of the boy to be called HARVEY OSWALD is the BRONX ZOO photo taken by Robert in August 1953 just before HARVEY & MO leave NYC (a good question Bruce is HOW do they get from NYC to NOLA in January?)... HARVEY goes to North Dakota for a bit and then shows up mid semester at BJHS as has been his way all along. (LEE attends school regularly and is the good, big kid)

JA has another at Marde Gras
NOTE: The student in the photograph, taken in the fall of 1954, was thetall, husky, Lee
Oswald. I showed Myra a photograph of a boy taken during Mardi Gras in1954, which
she identified as "Harvey." 54-04

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AUGUST 1953 comes only a month before 9/53 - which is the date on the NYC school records for a 5'4" 115lb OSWALD entering 8th grade
I dug up the data about the height of the Bronx zoo railings and found they were 36".

If your assumptions about school pix are true, the photo at the top right of LEE was taken in FALL 1952.. LEE was the biggest in his class and the leader of most of the kids.

The boy in this photo is barely 4'10" and slender as described by the YOUTH HOUSE doctors and anyone else who EVER came into contact with LEE HARVEY in NYC.

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When you say the WC investigators never spoke with anyone who knew
HARVEY in 1953/54 I assume you are excepting Ed Voebel who you have said DID
know Harvey in 1953/54? I guess this would make Ed Voebel a very important
witness! Also you are ignoring the teachers who according to the report cards
taught LHO in the 1953/54 school year and were interviewed by the FBI. And all
the other students who were interviewed by the FBI and do not actually refer to
the 1954/55 school year but simply to the time that LHO was at Beauregard.

Then I misposted... I am saying that everyone that was approached about BJHS was asked about 54-55 not 53-54. and YES, Mr. V is one of the very few who was in contact with both LEE and HARVEY although I do not think he knew it...it had been from June to OCTOBER 1954 that Ed does not see Oswald....


LOOK at each of these "reports" - they are carbon copies of each other with thename changed:


http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=26 and CE2233
She (Peggy Zimmerman) said she has had no contactor information concerning OSWALD since she remembered seeing
him at Beauregard Junior High School in 1955

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=26
Mrs Benniorita

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=27
Anna Langlois & Fred O'Sullivan

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=28
Jack Loyakano & Carroll Battistella

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=29
Joan Burgard

The FBI report continues with name after name yet no related YEAR at BJHS for these Oswald witnesses...
Not a single soul is asked about 53-54.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=35
Breeland - whose name appears on one of the grade cards - stated that after seeing photos AFTER THE ASSASSINATION of Oswald - he "tried to recall Oswald as a student at the school, however, without success.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...lPageId=36
Ada Clark taught in, you guessed it, 54-55, an English teach who, after seeing OSWALD in the news did not recall him as a student

Basically Bruce, the man arrested was NOT at BJHS in 54-55 - and these people all but confirm it.... 1953 was a year carefully ignored by the FBI

In each and every FBI report about BJHS we are told about 54, 55 and/or 56... and we both know that by AUGUST 1955 they go their seperate ways NOT 1956.

FBI REPORT:
EDWARD VOEBEL, who resides at 4916 Canal (location
of Quality Florist Company) advised he knew OSWALD at Beauregard
Junior High School during 1955 and 1956.

VOEBEL advised that after losing contact with LEE HARVEY OSWALD in 1956,

Not a single one is asked about the SPRING 1954 (54-55 year starts in Sept 54 as we both know)... and these reports were created to give a very specific impression and to form only one conclusion... that there was only one OSWALD even though the records of this one child are not possible in the real world of people and time.

(What you might do is look at the NYC records and reconcile a real conflict... from MARCH 23, 1953 until JUNE 4, 1953 this student supposedly attended 109 3/2 days and was absent 15 3/2 which is 109+15+3/2+3/2=130 days OF SCHOOL between 3/23 and 6/4/53.

There aren't 130 school days in a complete semester, but 90. The NYC records claim he transferred from 117 on 1/16/53 yet does not attend until 3/23/53. (yet only has 15 3/2 absences?)
He spends 4/23 - 5/7 at the YOUTH HOUSE and STILL can attend 109 days of school in a single SPRING SEMESTER ?? (I posted the 3 NYC records side by side earlier) https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...#post80649



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Are you saying that Voebel should have stepped up and disagreed with the interviewer to correct the impression that Voebel had only known LHO since he was 15, and not 14? I would think it highly unlikely that any interviewee would have corrected an interviewer on this point unless they somehow saw it as extremely important, which I am certain Voebel would not have.

I am saying that the interviewer was asking about the OCTOBER 1954 OSWALD, not the boy involved with the piano in early 1954.

August 1, 1955 (15 months prior to 10/9/56)

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I am not sure what your point is here, David.

My point here is that by August 1955 HARVEY is already talking about MARXISM (the story is about a lady and pamphlet that he is given that changes his life) while LEE is with ED at CAPS meeting David FERRIE.

I agree with you that here we have evidence of two different Oswalds but
I would assert that the kid who attends Warren Easton and then moves to San
Diego (or somewhere out of New Orleans) is the same kid who had been going to
Beauregard and who is pictured in the 1955 Beauregard yearbook. The Oswald that
works at Tujages is the Oswald raised in Ft. Worth.

I think you;ve mixed them up and together here.... Warren Easton would have been where BJHS sends LEE's records.

LEE was working at Tujage's all thru the 55-56 school year.... the only record from EASTON are the dates 9/8/55-10/4/55, and then HARVEY leaves.

Yet at the bottom of the EASTON record is a notation that the WCR cuts off: http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc..._0424a.htm

"Transcript sent to: Arlington Senior High Ft Worth 9-18-56"