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The WAR between JFK and CIA
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Cliff Varnell Wrote:Jim, you're over-reaching. This program became entangled with the Kennedy Assassination cover-up.

This Ozzie-centered cover-up would certainly have provided the pre-text for the US Air Force and US Marine Corp to blast into Havana November '63 -- had the patsy been killed circa 1 pm CST 11/22/63, instead of getting himself arrested less than an hour later which killed the "false flag" aspect of the operation.

Were Oswald's handlers also Kennedy's killers? That, my old friend Jim Hargrove, is an assumption.

Looks to me like Kennedy's killers were brutally efficient. I'm suspecting a US Army Special Forces based team specializing in narcotics assassinations.

Looks to me like Ozzie/s killer/s were a bunch of fuck ups. Oswald, big loser. Ruby, big loser. Phillips, Morales, Angleton, Helms, Hoover were all losers.

99% of JFK research is devoted to unknowable shit like the head wound/s, or to studies of the losers.

Sorry, Cliff, but I just can't buy it. At the very time the Kennedy Administration's war with the Central Intelligence Agency had blown up so badly it was in newspaper headlines, we suddenly have all this chatter in Mexico City about a former USMC radar operator familiar with U-2 flights who had defected to the USSR telling our side he'd tell the Russians everything he knows, and Agency personnel in Mexico City AND CIA headquarters apparently can't tell how old he is or what he looks like.

And none of this is apparently important enough to bring to the attention of the Secret Service or the FBI.

I am willing to narrow my focus a bit, though. Bill Simpich knows a lot more about the Mexico City affair than I do, and here, minus all the evidence he puts together, is his take from the introduction of State Secret:
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I offer the hypothesis that David Morales ran a piggy-backed operation on top of an anti-Fair Play for Cuba Committee operation run by CIA officer John Tilton and FBI agent Lambert Anderson, outwitted both Angleton and Goodpasture, brought down the President, and got away with it. Whether or not Bill Harvey was part of this operation, his people were all over it and merit further scrutiny.
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My essential point is that Harvey brought together a nest of trained assassins within the CIA who hated JFK for two related reasons. One was because of Kennedy's repeated refusal to order a military invasion of Cuba, even after the humiliation at the Bay of Pigs and the horror of the Cuban missile crisis. Two was because Bobby Kennedy directly meddled in Agency operations in an insecure manner. That nest is the most likely place to find the people that were part of the impersonation of Oswald and the killing of JFK.

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Others have argued to me that Angleton and covert action chief David Phillips were part of a plan to kill Kennedy, but my present perspective is that both of them like Goodpasture and operations chief Richard Helms, who I believe were in on the molehunt - were entrapped by the impersonation.

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Angleton and Phillips drove the cover-up for their own protection. Otherwise, their careers and reputations would have been ruined, to say nothing of the future of the CIA. Phillips told investigator Kevin Walsh shortly before he died that he believed American intelligence officers were involved in the assassination. Angleton's last words were filled with regret and sorrow. "I've made so many mistakes."

In photo captions, Morales is identified as Counterintelligence and paramilitary chief at the CIA station in Miami and Harvey as the CIA official who ran Staff D signals intelligence, the anti-Castro Task Force W operation, and the ZR-RIFLE assassination program.

JIm
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The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 13-03-2014, 08:02 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Paul Rigby - 13-03-2014, 10:19 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 13-03-2014, 11:28 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 14-03-2014, 12:09 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 14-03-2014, 12:45 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 14-03-2014, 01:09 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 14-03-2014, 01:45 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 14-03-2014, 01:57 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 14-03-2014, 02:30 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 15-03-2014, 12:32 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 15-03-2014, 02:27 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 15-03-2014, 03:07 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 15-03-2014, 02:41 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 15-03-2014, 06:06 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 16-03-2014, 12:38 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by LR Trotter - 16-03-2014, 08:59 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 17-03-2014, 01:13 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 03:53 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 17-03-2014, 04:17 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 04:18 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 17-03-2014, 04:36 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by LR Trotter - 17-03-2014, 05:27 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 06:05 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 06:26 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by LR Trotter - 17-03-2014, 09:59 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 17-03-2014, 05:02 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 06:04 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 06:24 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 17-03-2014, 06:58 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 17-03-2014, 07:59 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 18-03-2014, 03:26 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 18-03-2014, 04:55 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 18-03-2014, 02:01 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 18-03-2014, 04:55 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by LR Trotter - 18-03-2014, 05:39 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Anthony DeFiore - 18-03-2014, 07:08 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Albert Doyle - 18-03-2014, 08:34 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 19-03-2014, 01:59 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by LR Trotter - 19-03-2014, 03:31 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 19-03-2014, 02:42 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 19-03-2014, 04:12 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 19-03-2014, 04:58 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 20-03-2014, 12:31 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 20-03-2014, 01:12 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 20-03-2014, 05:25 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 21-03-2014, 02:39 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 21-03-2014, 05:24 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 23-03-2014, 05:57 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Paul Rigby - 23-03-2014, 08:49 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 23-03-2014, 10:05 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 24-03-2014, 01:48 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 29-03-2014, 02:57 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 30-03-2014, 06:04 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 30-03-2014, 07:37 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Cliff Varnell - 31-03-2014, 06:13 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 31-03-2014, 04:53 PM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by Jim Hargrove - 18-04-2014, 01:36 AM
The WAR between JFK and CIA - by David Josephs - 18-04-2014, 04:32 PM

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