09-04-2014, 09:23 PM
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In short, it is my considered contention that MK-ULTRA did NOT produce Manchurian Assassins, and that the actual assassination of a Very Important Person would never have been entrusted to a Manchurian Candidate.
Instead, it is my contention that MK-ULTRA produced Manchurian Patsies. Hypno-narco-trauma conditioning enabled programmers to put a subject into a dissociative state and to task the subject to go to location X and behave in manner Y. Sirhan Sirhan is a perfect example of the form: Manchurian Patsy.
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If you go to post 87 in the link below Jan attacked my mentioning Chapman saying I was simplistic, not fit for Deep Politics, and moderated me saying I was being reviewed for banning. I think he did this because I didn't accept Chandler's claims on 9-11. It took me several months to get back on the board after sending protests that it was actually Jan who was seriously wrong on both points that he used as examples of my unfitness. First he tried to claim that my contention that Regime Change had anything to do with JFK's assassination was wrong (read it yourself) and that the entire notion of Regime Change was just a popular phrase gotten from the media after the Iraq invasion. Jan prevented me from responding by moderation so I couldn't point out that any simple research into Regime Change would show Kennedy was both highly aware of and worried about it as pointed out by DiEugenio. Kennedy was highly stressed by Lumumba, Mossadegh, Sukarno, Diem and many others. Any look at the Wikipedia article on Regime Change would show it was firmly installed as a CIA practice long before JFK and was actually a large part of why he was moving against CIA, as DiEugenio describes. When I asked Jan to post my protest and reply he refused. After being backwardsly and wrongly accused there wasn't a single board member who pointed-out Jan's gaffe.
Jan's second reason for moderation is he said his linked reference was the one and only final say on Chapman and MK-ULTRA and any other view, especially mine, was a sign of incompetence and lack of board fitness. In my reply I pointed out that MK-ULTRA was probably highly successful, as proven by the RFK and Lennon hypno-programmed assassinations. I also added that maybe Jan hadn't stopped to consider that his source might actually be a disinformationist trying to play down that success.
Jan's reply:
I believe Jan got caught up in his Drago fervor and wasn't checking basic reality. While accusing me of board unfitness he ran roughshod across the recent Pepper revelations of Sirhan's hypnotic programming. I then took a board vacation for several months after this post with no one pointing-out any of these glaring flaws on Jan's behalf. Jan, of course, referring to his writings as gospel and anyone challenging them as Sunstein agents deserving banishment.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...0W8HZuuOCk
In short, it is my considered contention that MK-ULTRA did NOT produce Manchurian Assassins, and that the actual assassination of a Very Important Person would never have been entrusted to a Manchurian Candidate.
Instead, it is my contention that MK-ULTRA produced Manchurian Patsies. Hypno-narco-trauma conditioning enabled programmers to put a subject into a dissociative state and to task the subject to go to location X and behave in manner Y. Sirhan Sirhan is a perfect example of the form: Manchurian Patsy.
If you go to post 87 in the link below Jan attacked my mentioning Chapman saying I was simplistic, not fit for Deep Politics, and moderated me saying I was being reviewed for banning. I think he did this because I didn't accept Chandler's claims on 9-11. It took me several months to get back on the board after sending protests that it was actually Jan who was seriously wrong on both points that he used as examples of my unfitness. First he tried to claim that my contention that Regime Change had anything to do with JFK's assassination was wrong (read it yourself) and that the entire notion of Regime Change was just a popular phrase gotten from the media after the Iraq invasion. Jan prevented me from responding by moderation so I couldn't point out that any simple research into Regime Change would show Kennedy was both highly aware of and worried about it as pointed out by DiEugenio. Kennedy was highly stressed by Lumumba, Mossadegh, Sukarno, Diem and many others. Any look at the Wikipedia article on Regime Change would show it was firmly installed as a CIA practice long before JFK and was actually a large part of why he was moving against CIA, as DiEugenio describes. When I asked Jan to post my protest and reply he refused. After being backwardsly and wrongly accused there wasn't a single board member who pointed-out Jan's gaffe.
Jan's second reason for moderation is he said his linked reference was the one and only final say on Chapman and MK-ULTRA and any other view, especially mine, was a sign of incompetence and lack of board fitness. In my reply I pointed out that MK-ULTRA was probably highly successful, as proven by the RFK and Lennon hypno-programmed assassinations. I also added that maybe Jan hadn't stopped to consider that his source might actually be a disinformationist trying to play down that success.
Jan's reply:
Quote:It's never stopped you , "Albert Doyle".
You really think the assassination of RFK was entrusted to Sirhan Sirhan the Manchurian Candidate?
However, since you've been a member of DPF for several years and you've been involved in threads where I've discussed this before, in my judgement your multiple identities are now confirmed.
Be seeing ya...
I believe Jan got caught up in his Drago fervor and wasn't checking basic reality. While accusing me of board unfitness he ran roughshod across the recent Pepper revelations of Sirhan's hypnotic programming. I then took a board vacation for several months after this post with no one pointing-out any of these glaring flaws on Jan's behalf. Jan, of course, referring to his writings as gospel and anyone challenging them as Sunstein agents deserving banishment.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...0W8HZuuOCk