Malaysian plane crashes on Ukraine-Russia border - live

[Peter Lemkin]

I'm sure all here know that the Ukrainian Military is making a push now to get a hold of the area near and including the crash site, despite an agreed upon 40km non-engagement zone around it. This is very ominous - and a break from the agreement with the separatist militia. Meanwhile the 'Western' governments are making the most insane suggestions about sending an international military force to secure the crash area. Does someone have something to hide? While all are saying or hinting that their motives are pure and they only want to 'secure' the crash site so that a 'real' investigation can begin, the recent fighting in the area caused the inspectors to NOT deploy to the area yesterday and most likely for the foreseeable future. The Ukrainian military is one of the suspects [as are the separatists] in the shoot-down. The separatists have given access, and while they did disturb a few items, there is no reliable evidence of major tampering with the evidence on the ground. A change of the status quo would only delay and/or destroy more of the evidence, as the Ukrainian 'regulars' are bombing in the area, among other activities. One has to speculate what their real motives are in this endeavor!....

Yes Peter. It is beginning to look like the Ukrainian military want to destroy the crime scene and cover up any evidence....now why would they do that?

I was thinking a few days ago that the DPR and locals should just go and collect everything one group plane wreckage, another body parts and another personal belongings. And get it all out of there ASAP. There are enough photographs of the fallout area from the satellites and the journalists on the ground. Some very extensively documented. There is no reason to any of these foreigners to be there. Aircraft wreckage is reconstructed in hangars not in the field to determine causes. DNA matching is also done in laboratories not in the field. It is looking like a trojan horse operation.

With good satellite or drone photos plus metal detectors - one could easily map most all of the wreckage. With trained dogs, one could find almost all the remaining body parts. Both could be removed with representatives of any group who wanted [unarmed] watching in a few days. Ukraine is the one breaking the agreement of no fighting in that 40km ring around the crash. The plane parts would fit in a few large semi-trucks; the body parts in one refrigerator truck. Someone, or several parties, don't want anything done; but at the moment the Ukrainian military seems to be the worst offender and/or foot-dragger.