Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Rachel Maddow admits Vietnam war only happened because JFK was assassinated
#15
Its incredible how slow the MSM is on this stuff. Goldstein's book was an important contribution to the literature because he was working with a co author, Mac Bundy, who was in the White House.

The book was published in 2008. And the excellent Frank Rich broke the story about the doves in Obama's White House passing it around in 2009.

It is a good book. Here is my review: http://www.ctka.net/reviews/virtual_jfk_3.html

I mentioned it the night of the Jim Douglass, Lisa Pease, Oliver Stone talk.

But IMO, this issue has been decided, and to talk about this is really kind of a diversion. Why?

Because if Rachel was a real scholar, she would be talking about how Johnson and Nixon changed JFK's Middle East policy!! That is the real story. And its a direct analog not an indirect one.

Kennedy was not beholden to Israel, and was much more even handed with the moderate Arabs. Like Nasser and Sadat.

He was also against Saudi Arabia, and backed Nasser's importation of troops into Yemen to block Saudi expansionism. He also asked for a position paper on Iran to see if it was possible to get rid of the Shah and bring back Mossadegh. He worried that the extreme monarchies could lead to a fundamentalist revolution in the Middle East. And he brought this up back in 1957!! In his great Algeria speech. These policies were all reversed upon his death.

And guess what? He was right. Where did the explosion of fundamentalism happen? In Iran in 1979.

And who caused it? John McCloy. Mr. cover up on the JFK case. How did McCloy aid the rise of Moslem fundamentalism? By pimping for the real Chairman, David Rockefeller.

Rockefeller hired McCloy to lobby the Carter administration to let the Shah into the USA. After hundreds of thousands of dollars and months of work, McCloy didn't change Carter's position; but he did change his advisors' positions. At a big meeting, Carter stood alone. He then caved. But before he did, he turned and said, "Alright. But I wonder what you guys are going to advise me to do when they storm our embassy and take our employees hostage."

LBJ, RMN and McCloy completely reversed Kennedy's very wise and fair policy in the Middle East. And McCloy directly aided the fundamentalist explosion, which gave us Ronald Reagan.


If Rachel was not a dilettante, this is what she should be addressing. In books by Rakove and Muelhenbeck. But that will take another seven years I guess. I'll probably be dead by then.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Rachel Maddow admits Vietnam war only happened because JFK was assassinated - by Jim DiEugenio - 13-06-2015, 03:29 AM

Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  John Newman's JFK and Vietnam: 2017 Version Jim DiEugenio 0 1,656 26-06-2021, 03:01 AM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
  John Newman's JFK and Vietnam: 2017 Version Jim DiEugenio 0 1,648 26-06-2021, 03:01 AM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
Big Grin JFK, Vietnam and Agent Orange Richard Coleman 2 2,785 11-06-2021, 03:23 AM
Last Post: Richard Coleman
  Counterpunch, JFK and Vietnam Jim DiEugenio 0 2,286 04-05-2020, 09:37 PM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
  Vietnam Declassified: Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon Jim DiEugenio 0 5,654 17-12-2018, 05:54 PM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
  An interesting sidebar to President Johnson's Vietnam War Tom Bowden 5 9,654 17-10-2018, 12:07 PM
Last Post: Scott Kaiser
  Roger Hilsman on JFK vs LBJ on Vietnam Jim DiEugenio 7 21,397 26-08-2018, 11:34 AM
Last Post: Paul Rigby
  Max Boot gets Booted on Lansdale in Vietnam Jim DiEugenio 19 23,792 23-05-2018, 05:07 AM
Last Post: Jim DiEugenio
  Edmund Gullion, JFK and the Shaping of a Foreign Policy in Vietnam Jim DiEugenio 1 6,996 14-05-2018, 06:00 PM
Last Post: Alan Ford
  WHY JFK Was Assassinated.... Peter Lemkin 3 18,726 23-11-2017, 07:01 PM
Last Post: Peter Lemkin

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)