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[David Josephs]

My science is obviously sound because it can't be any other way.

I'm right because I'm right because I'm right?

It is a violation of Deep Politics to ignore good science.

It's a violation of common sense to allow you to continue representing FAITH, BELIEF and JUNK SCIENCE as FACT... but the mods are doing so anyway.

If you were to look back and the early moments of Duncan's original PW posts - he admits he did it just to watch people like you trip over themselves to support junk science... and laugh while doing it.
To see who would take the bait. Wasn't it PT Barnum who said a sucker is born every minute?

It's all a show - all you need do is go spend some time at his JFKAssassination Forum to get a flavor.

You aint gonna learn what you dont wanna know Albert... and your eyeballing trust of other's work since you dont seem to be able to do any of the analysis on your own leaves you open to the whim and fancy of those you are supporting.

I suppose you also support Dale Myers misrepresentation of the event as well?
Posner and Bugliosi on your "must read" list this year Albert?


One last try - there is simply not enough information from the image to tell who this is. So the earlier declaration that "PW" is wearing horned rimmed glasses and therefor a woman.. you can make those out can you?

You and Monet buddy... nobody else.

Sorry David this is just flaming and ridicule.


You skipped answering my last post to you in this thread that detailed the scientific particulars. You don't have any right to do that and I find it demeaning of your credibility.


Please go back and seriously and directly answer my points in the post you ignored. We're dealing specifically with my height arguments and you're not answering what I'm writing. Drew seems to be able to manage. Nobody is above science.

I prefer to ignore you from now on Albert...

You continue to illustrate how NOT to approach science or fact.

Last time - point out Wesley in the doorway prior to Darnell. And how does this testimony corroborate what we see in the images prior to Darnell when Wesley is nowhere to be seen.

Mr. BALL - When you stood out on the front looking at the parade, where was Shelley standing and where was Lovelady standing with reference to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, see, I was standing, like I say, one step down from the top, and Mr. Shelley was standing, you know, back from the top step and over toward the side of the wall there. See, he was standing right over there, and then Billy was a couple of steps down from me over toward more the wall also. Now we both know that Lovelady is at the center of the landing by the railing and Shelley is behind him, also in the middle. If Wesley is down one step and Lovelady is down a few steps and also over by the wall... who is the person in the bottom image on the right with "In Front" written over him?






Maybe also look at why Shelley lied - or Viles did - about who was where. Lovelady lies or that's not Lovelady in Martin.


Mr. SHELLEY - Oh, several people were out there waiting to watch the motorcade and I went out to join them.
Mr. BALL - And who was out there?
Mr. SHELLEY - Well, there was Lloyd Viles of McGraw-Hill, Sarah Stanton, she's with Texas School Book, and Wesley Frazier and Billy Lovelady joined us shortly afterwards.
Mr. BALL - You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY - Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL - That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY - yes.








Mr. Trotter - I realize I replied using your post yet it was by no means an attack... You mention that Wesley appears taller than PP... I agree completely - he was a tall man in general compared to everyone else.

But that doesn't put him where he claims he was at the time. Altgens is only half that image... the bottom shows the entire landing.. do you see a head sticking up above the rest?

Who is that in the left hand corner of the landing as we face it looking like Oswald, when Lovelady is supposed to be in the center and further down the steps?






And for Albert - Lovelady and Wesley are almost the same size when at the front of the stairs. Lovelady also appear much taller than PM due to the depth of field and focal lengths involved.







Can you explain how Lovelady is in the Martin film when according to his testimony he was in the TSBD? Was Martin more than 30 minutes after the shooting and why does Lovelady not ever say he was back on the steps in front?

All I'm saying is AD here is using his eyes to guess about distance... he's guessing about heights, guessing about details and just plain guessing about everything and trusting others to do his work.

Mr. BALL - How did you happen to go down there?
Mr. LOVELADY - I don't know, because everybody was running from that way and naturally, I guess---
Mr. BALL - They were running from that way or toward that way?
Mr. LOVELADY - Toward that way; everybody thought it was coming from that direction.
Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.
Mr. BALL - How many steps?
Mr. LOVELADY - Twenty, 25.
Mr. BALL - Steps away and you looked back and saw him enter the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Then you came back. How long did you stay around the railroad tracks?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, just a minute, maybe minute and a half.
Mr. BALL - Then what did you do?
Mr. LOVELADY - Came back right through that part where Mr. Campbell, Mr. Truly, and Mr. Shelley park their cars and I came back inside the building.
Mr. BALL - And enter from the rear?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; sure did.

Mr. BALL - Did you see any other people on the first floor?
Mr. LOVELADY - Oh, yes; by that time there were more; a few of the guys had come in.
Mr. BALL - And you stayed on the first floor then?
Mr. LOVELADY - I would say 30 minutes. And one of the policemen asked me would I take them up on the sixth floor.
Mr. BALL - Did you take them up there?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes, sir; I sure did.
Mr. BALL - Mr. Lovelady, your testimony will be written up and it can be submitted to you for your signature if you wish and you can make any changes, or you can waive signature and we will make this your final---
Mr. LOVELADY - I want this to be the final one.
Mr. BALL - All right; you waive signature?
Mr. LOVELADY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Thanks very much.




If that is Lovelady (the shorter man in the plaid shirt) with Shelley - then he is much shorter than Wesley... and was telling the truth about leaving the stairs.

(I believe this is Gerda's work yet I'm not sure)