30-11-2009, 07:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 30-11-2009, 09:33 PM by Peter Lemkin.)
Helen Reyes Wrote:Peter paints a desperate situation with all those hurricanes. Reminds me of the event that buried all those mammoths in Siberia 10,000 years ago or so, with undigested buttercups still in the stomachs of those not torn limb from limb.
This might be too fine a point for MSM to bother with, but Hadley CRU did not fudge the science, becaue they weren't doing science. They were running computer simulations.
From what I can tell, this is the best "science" IPCC can come up with, simulations and secret and/or lost datasets. This doesn't destroy the foundations of climatic science in any way, but it is very revealing on AGW. We already knew about this UN political body's false "scientific" consensus on AGW. Now we have access to a bunch of documents which seem to indicate plain fraud, an attempt to provide a scientific basis for what amounts to a cherished belief. With trillions of dollars expected to come of it among the powerbrokers.
The AGW theory has been disproved: carbon dioxide is still rising, but temperature isn't. The main hypothesis is untenable. CO2 as a trace gas in the atmosphere was never even a very good candidate for AGW. Water vapor and methane carry heat a lot better.
Luckily for the climatic terrorists, there is plenty of natural climate change afoot, as ever, and any number of disaster scenarios with which to titilate and scare funding out of the somnambulent public.
A point on the current leaked documents: a BBC meteorologist allegedly claimed they were genuine because he received the same set over a month ago. This cannot be true, because the batch I got has letters from around November 15, 2009. Either the BBC meteorologist is lying, or he never said any such thing. The claim seems designed to foster the idea they were leaked from inside rather than hacked, maybe to make them admissible in some court. I assume they're admissible anyway, they all seem to be emails and documents made during worktime at public expense.
I'm not sure why environmentalists engage in neo-Greek to rename the Earth, either. Maybe it sounds more scientific? I understand the "Gaia hypothesis" is nothing more than panspermia or animism, religion under guise of "hypothesis."
Quote:Gaea, Gaia or Ge
Greek myth. the goddess of the earth, who bore Uranus and by him Oceanus, Cronus and the Titans[from Greek gaia earth]
Environmentalists on the radical side of the field [myself included] use the term Gaia for two reasons: 1- to present a new name, not used in any language to awaken sleeping humanity to the need for a new paradigm [actually the oldest one we had before about 14,000 years ago - read the Chalice and the Blade by Eisler] and 2- Because of the brilliant work by James Lovelock in his paper, later a book called the Gaia Hypothesis, which posits [correctly] that the Planet Gaia is more than a lump of rock and water/atmosphere, BUT A SINGLE LIVING ORGANISM!!, and like all living organisms tries to maintain levels of equilibrium, tries to maintain life, fights when assaulted, etc. Just as we think [incorrectly] we are one being, when we are made-up of billions [yes billions] of beings - living in your gut, living in your blood, living in the mitochondria of every cell, etc., Gaia is a single organism made-up of the trillions of living things on it - only one [humans] are out of balance and threatening the others. We are also capable [in theory] of self-correction, if we had the moral will. I doubt it and religion [in the generic sense] and hubris, denial and deep over-involvement in self, and loss of contact with Natural Philosophy and Natural Values will cause us to not regain our standing as fellow living beings among those we exploit, kill, poison, seek to control, etc. Add to that the few in power in our species who have much to gain by this blindness and turning-away from Nature and voila - the end of Nature.....and the end of Humans too. Soon. In your grandchildren's lifetime. Sadly. Watch the brilliant movie http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...4678943881 and then we can discuss...I've seen it more than 20 times and cry every time. We've built a civilization based on false-values, non-Natural values, consumption and now over-consumption - blindly mowing life on Gaia down to nothing - leaving a desert - and a poisoned one, at that. The Native Americans and other indigenous peoples had it right. We have it wrong. We must change or we shall go the way of the buffalo and dodo. All very soon.
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