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Magda Hassan Wrote:From the Guardian live blog:
Quote:Audio has been posted purporting to be of the conversation between a pilot aboard Morales's flight and the control room at Vienna airport. Although the Guardian cannot 100% verify the audio, it comes from a source who has a track record of monitoring aviation communications. (In this 2011 article, Huub, also known online as "BlackBox" and @FMCNL, is described as a former member of the Dutch military who has been monitoring radio frequency scanners, amplifiers, and antennas for more than 25 years.)
Part of the conversation goes:"Do you need any assistance?"
"Not at this moment. We need to land because we cannot get a correct indication of the fuel indication...we need to land."
This problem might indicate why Bolivian Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca accused France and Portugal of putting the president's life at risk by cancelling authorisation for the plane. But it is hard to believe that those countries would have refused permission to land if a problem was reported.
A press officer at Vienna airport said she could not confirm whether or not the audio recording was genuine. That seems very far fetched....and too easy to expose. No government has denied it refused the plane permission to enter its space and they too could have offered it to land to fix any physical problems! Things don't 'fit'....but such is the nature of Deep Politics.
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The initial flight plan called for an overflight of France and Spain and a refueling stop in Lisbon. From there the plane could have flown nonstop to La Paz.
It is also clear that the plane coming from Moscow could not have crossed the Atlantic without a refueling stop.
I think it is possible that a wrong reason for the unplanned landing was given to the Air Traffic Control in Vienna.
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I think this is the same guy that I used to listen to during the Libyan no fly slaughter. He is legit. But there are many strange things going on. France and Portugal and Italy have cleared his plane. Spain has said, and I kid you not, that they have to check with their 'friend' (the US) to see if it is okay....talk about a little lickspittle vassal state. The Spanish ambassador in Austria also wanted to "drink some coffee on board the plane with Morales to make sure there was no Snowden on board". The Austrians have said they don't fear Snowden and allowed the plane to land. As President Cristina Kirchner said "Mother of God the world has gone mad" as she conversed with Evo and he legal advisors.
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La Paz, 2 jul (ABI).- Bolivia denunció el "secuestro" de su presidente Evo Morales, impedido de despegar del aeropuerto de Viena, Austria, donde aterrizó a media tarde del martes de emergencia, luego que Francia y Portugal primero y luego Italia y España negaran después de autorizarlo la utilización de su espacio aéreo y aeropuertos, lo que llevó al vicepresidente Alvaro GarcÃa Linera a denunciar, en La Paz, la violación de la Convención de Viena y a pedir expresiones de repudio internacional.
"Desde las 4 de la tarde hasta esta hora, son las 10h35, el presidente Evo sigue estacionado en el aeropuerto de Viena. Queremos decir a los bolivianos, queremos decir al mundo que el presidente Evo Morales, nuestro presidente, el presidente de los bolivianos, hoy por hoy está secuestrado en Europa; queremos decirle a los pueblos del mundo que el presidente Evo Morales ha sido secuestrado por el imperialismo y está retenido en Europa", denunció GarcÃa Linera durante una emisión de prensa extraordinaria en el patio principal del Palacio Quemado en La Paz.
Acompañado del gabinete ministerial en pleno, en su calidad de gobernante boliviano en funciones, GarcÃa Linera denunció, asimismo, la violación flagrante de la Convención de Viena en lo que concierne a los vuelos oficiales y la utilización de espacios aéreos y aeropuertos, previamente consentida.
El Vicepresidente deploró la polÃtica de ParÃs y Lisboa, lo mismo que tácitamente de Roma y Madrid de impedir, en el primer caso, después de autorizarlo, que el avión de Morales opere espacio aéreo y se reabastezca en aeródromo galo, lo que conllevó un riesgo para la vida de Morales, que tras 3 horas y media en el aire, desde que partió de Moscú, donde habÃa asistido a una cumbre de paÃses exportadores de gas, debió buscar, de emergencia, la franja del aeropuerto de Viena para posarse.
"En violación absoluta de la Convención de Viena que establece que los vuelos de los presidentes del mundo no pueden ser obstruidos y tienen inmunidad, un par de gobiernos europeos prohibió que pueda pasar por espacio aéreo el avión del presidente Evo", denunció GarcÃa Linera ante medio centenar de periodistas nacionales y extranjeros.
Hacia las 23h18 locales, Morales seguÃa varado en Viena, a la espera de poder configurar un nuevo plan que le permita levantar vuelo a La Paz.
El dignatario boliviano, que denunció incluso un intento de chantaje, de un funcionario diplomático de España, para que Morales admita, contra la norma internacional, la requisa de la aeronave oficial de Bolivia, lamentó que el mandatario boliviano es el primer gobernante "rehén del imperio".
"El imperialismo ha secuestrado al presidente Evo, el imperialismo ha secuestrado a la verdad; la mentira imperial ha secuestrado a la verdad de los pueblos, el abuso imperial ha secuestrado a la dignidad de los pueblos. Potencias extranjeras nuevamente como lo hicieron hace 500 años atrás maltratan, agreden al pueblo boliviano, maltratan, agreden, retienen, ofenden al primer presidente indÃgena de América Latina", sostuvo.
GarcÃa Linera dijo que detrás de la polÃtica instrumentada por los paÃses europeos de mención se esconde la acción de EEUU.
"Sabemos de que esa obstaculización del viaje del presidente Evo ha sido instruida por el gobierno de Estados Unidos; el gobierno de Estados Unidos que le tiene miedo a un campesino, miedo a un indÃgena, miedo a un hombre honesto que defiende la soberanÃa de nuestra patria", aguijoneó.
El gobernante boliviano pidió la unidad de Latinoamérica para enfrentar el "colonialismo putrefacto" detrás de la polÃtica contra el avión de Morales, cuya honestidad defendió a capa y espada.
"El presidente Evo no es ningún delincuente, el presidente Evo tiene el derecho de cualquier presidente de inmunidad de su vuelo, y lo que decimos es cierto, nunca hemos mentido, se ha dado las informaciones que corresponde a los viajes oficiales y esa es nuestra última palabra", mantuvo.
Por último, después de asegurar la unidad monolÃtica de los estamentos bolivianos en este trance, GarcÃa Linera llamó a la clase obrera internacional, a los campesinos y jóvenes del mundo, a repudiar la acción contra Morales, "que va en contra de los principios que regulan la convivencia pacÃfica y democrática entre pueblos".
"Convocamos a los pueblos de América Latina, a los gobiernos progresistas a pronunciarse, les pedimos que los pueblos de América Latina, que los gobiernos de América Latina puedan reunirse de emergencia para tomar posición sobre este abuso, hoy América Latina está siendo pisoteada, no solamente Bolivia, el paÃs más pequeño, más sacrificado pero más luchador que tiene el continente, es América Latina la que está siendo pisoteada, es la dignidad de los latinoamericanos la que está siendo agredida", sostuvo.
Cc ABIhttp://www.presidencia.gob.bo/
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La Paz, July 2 (ABI). - Bolivia denounced the "kidnapping" of its president Evo Morales, prevented takeoff from Vienna, Austria, where he landed Tuesday afternoon emergency, after France and Portugal first and then Italy and Spain refused after authorize the use of its airspace and airports, leading Vice President Alvaro Garcia Linera denounced, in La Paz, the violation of the Vienna Convention and to seek expressions of international outrage.
"From 4pm until this hour, is 10h35, President Evo still parked at the airport in Vienna. Want Bolivians say, we want to tell the world that President Evo Morales, our president, President of the Bolivian , today is abducted in Europe and we want to tell the people of the world that President Evo Morales has been hijacked by imperialism and is held in Europe, "Garcia Linera denounced during a special press issue in the main courtyard of the Presidential Palace in La Paz. Accompanied by the Cabinet as a whole in their quality of Bolivian president in office, Garcia Linera denounced also the flagrant violation of the Vienna Convention regarding the official flights and use of airspace and airports previously consented. Vice policy deplored Paris and Lisbon, like Rome and Madrid tacitly prevent, in the first case, after authorizing it, that Morales aircraft and airspace operated Refuel French airfield, which that entailed a risk to the life of Morales, who after 3 ½ hours in the air, since he left Moscow after attending a summit of gas exporting countries, should seek, emergency, Fringe Vienna airport to roost. "In absolute violation of the Vienna Convention which states that flights from the presidents of the world can not be blocked and have immunity, a couple of European governments prohibited airspace can pass through the plane of President Evo" denounced GarcÃa Linera front of fifty domestic and foreign journalists. Around 23h18 local, Morales was stranded in Vienna, waiting to set up a new plan that allows you to take flight to La Paz. The Bolivian dignitary, who denounced even an attempt to blackmail, a diplomat of Spain, that Morales admitted against the international standard requisitioning official aircraft of Bolivia, Bolivian president regretted that the ruling is the first "hostage of the empire." "Imperialism has kidnapped the president Evo, imperialism has kidnapped the truth, the lie has kidnapped imperial truth of peoples imperial abuse has kidnapped the dignity of peoples. foreign powers again as they did 500 years ago mistreated, assaulted the Bolivian people , abuse, attack, hold, offend the first indigenous president in Latin America, "he said. Garcia Linera said that behind the policy implemented by European countries lies mention U.S. action. "We know that this obstruction Tour President Evo has been instructed by the U.S. government, the U.S. government is afraid that a peasant, a native fear, fear of an honest man who defends the sovereignty of our motherland, "prodded. The Bolivian president called Latin American unity to face the "rotten colonialism" behind the plane policy against Morales, whose honesty defended to the hilt. "President Evo is not a criminal, President Evo has the right of any president's immunity your flight, and what we say is true, we have never lied, has been given the information that corresponds to official travel and that's our last word ", remained. Finally, after securing the monolithic unity of the estates Bolivians in this trance, GarcÃa called for the international working class, peasants and youth of the world, to repudiate the action against Morales, "which is contrary to the principles governing peaceful and democratic coexistence between peoples". "We call on the peoples Latin American progressive governments to act, we ask that the people of Latin America, Latin American governments can meet emergency to take position on this abuse, today Latin America is being trampled, not only Bolivia, the country smaller, but more fighter sacrificed having the continent, Latin America is being trampled, is the dignity of Latin Americans that is being attacked, "he said. Cc ABI ;
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Apparently according to the US ambassador in Vienna there is an arrest warrant for Snowden about to be handed over to the Austrian authorities.
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Austrian Interior Minister confirms: Edward Snowdon has applied for an entry-visa at the Austrian embassy in Moscow.
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Apparently the plane has just taken off with Morales. Presumably to Bolivia.
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I[/URL] think this is the old one where he was diverted by France (now denying it) Spain and Portugal.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:http://www.flightradar24.com/FAB1
This is the live one now.
WOW, that live flight radar is fantastic! Can we get one for the USA on 9/11/01?~ 
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