NSA vs the Staasi

[Magda Hassan]

[URL="http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/"]http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/

Stasi vs. NSA

How much space would the filing cabinets of the Stasi and the NSA consume - if the NSA would print their 5 zettabytes?

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[Peter Lemkin]

17 million Km2!......what a storage buildings, paper and file cabinets contract that would be! So glad the NSA has an 'environmental conscience' :loco:

[Magda Hassan]

If they ever decide to build it I bet Halliburton is in for the no bid contract fix.

[Jim Hackett II]

[Speculation]
I am struck by the idea that as the primary and sort of approved writer about the NSA, a Mr. Bamford, has some amazing ability to penetrate the veil.
In his first NSA book he in effect asked if the idea of a govt. agency having the ability to spy on its' own citizens was a good idea in any functional democracy.
In the latest book (all of which are to me only limited hangouts) he takes the idea a little further.
But not far enough for me.

Why cannot some other author be allowed to tell more of the truth than Mr. Bamford has done?
James Loftus? Clearance? By whom?


ONI also, but the information for ONI is much harder to find....
OK I'm done speculating and I would not be offended at all if the mods move this post to a more appropriate place.

Thanks
Jim
Oh and if Staasi was wrong and it was, how can the NSA not be wrong?
By so called oversight?
BS....throw open the vaults to the sunlight.
And Suitland and that funny place in Arizona Fort whatyacallit, and the Utah new storage site and on and on.....
A democracy need this level of secrecy?
BS...

[Magda Hassan]

[URL="http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/"]http://apps.opendatacity.de/stasi-vs-nsa/

Stasi vs. NSA

How much space would the filing cabinets of the Stasi and the NSA consume - if the NSA would print their 5 zettabytes?

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Stasi vs. The NSA Back To Back: Who's Worse A Visual Guide

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If you were to compare the evil, reprehensible Stasi to the NSA side by side in a visual comparison, who's the worse surveillance hawk? The people over at OpenDataCity have put together a nice visual guide with astonishing results. We tend to think of Stasi-scale surveillance as the epitome of evil surveillance, and have completely lost track of what today's governments are doing to their people.
When you go to this page (in German), you are presented with a nice map that compares the size of the Stasi archives a large building in Berlin with the corresponding NSA archives. It's clear that the NSA's archives if used with Stasi technology, for an apples-to-apples comparison would be quite a bit larger:

Comparison of the Stasi and NSA archives. The Stasi archives were a building in Berlin, the NSA archives seem to be more like a couple of entire blocks.

However, this image isn't very visually friendly for comparison we want both buildings centered. Let's pan to the right a bit to get the entire NSA building or its comparative, fictive building and the Stasi building centered in picture:

Hmm, ok. The NSA's building seems to be more than a couple of entire blocks in Berlin, and it just keeps going. This isn't easily centered in picture next to the Stasi building.

Perhaps we'll need to zoom out a bit to get both buildings side by side in order to compare them properly and visually.

Ok, zooming out a level didn't help too much. The point is starting to get across here…

We obviously need to keep zooming out. The scale of what the NSA is doing compared to the "old, evil Stasi" is slowly starting to come across.

Zoomed out to cover large parts of the German countryside, and it's still just NSA archives. How big is this thing anyway?

Ok, we give up: let's just zoom out until we have the full picture. Turns out we have to continue zooming for quite a while until we have the full picture:

…finally. So where the hated Stasi archives were a full building in Berlin, in an apples-to-apples comparison, the NSA archives would cover the Eastern part of Europe, the entire Middle East, and a good chunk of northeastern Africa. That kind of establishes the orders of magnitude we're dealing with.

I think most people had a hunch that the NSA could be just as bad as the old Stasi, or possibly even slightly worse. This kind of visual apples-to-apples comparison is necessary to establish just how much worse. Humans are terrible at grasping orders of magnitude at an intuitive level.
So where the hated Stasi surveillance was a building in area, the NSA surveillance today is an entire continent.
As a final note, the word Stasi was a contraction of the East German surveillance agency's full name, Ministerium für Staatssicherheit. It translates to National Security Agency.
http://falkvinge.net/2013/07/05/stasi-vs...-how-much/