President Kennedy's Assassination & No-thingness

[Albert Rossi]

Total Heavy-ocity, in the immortal words of Mr. Allen. . .
I must say that part about the broken glass from "2001" -- even Woody couldn't come with that sort of stuff! :lol:

"Well, I've got Mr. Kubrick right here, and here's what he has to say …"

Seriously, when we riff, those (like myself) with a particular professional "deformation" do risk self-parody. But glad you enjoyed it. I suggest you attend some Modern Language Association conferences for even more belly-laughs.

[Charles Drago]

FWIW, this "Carl Brego" character has been encountered in the past, both here and at EF.

A word to the wise ...

[David Guyatt]

Total Heavy-ocity, in the immortal words of Mr. Allen. . .
I must say that part about the broken glass from "2001" -- even Woody couldn't come with that sort of stuff! :lol:

"Well, I've got Mr. Kubrick right here, and here's what he has to say …"

Seriously, when we riff, those (like myself) with a particular professional "deformation" do risk self-parody.

Precisely Albert. Standing out from the herd causes the more prosaic and meek amongst us consternation.

[Dawn Meredith]

FWIW, this "Carl Brego" character has been encountered in the past, both here and at EF.

A word to the wise ...

Agreed. He may be a happier fellow elsewhere.

Dawn

[Jim Hackett II]

FWIW, this "Carl Brego" character has been encountered in the past, both here and at EF.

A word to the wise ...

Agreed. He may be a happier fellow elsewhere.

Dawn

Yep.

[Charles Drago]

The murder of President Kennedy created a deep layer in the frame of our consciousness. Fortified its existence in the limited field of time. That was the intent. We, I think, are pushed into our own suffering, used as a resource and denied our birthright to the infinite. That works only as long as we are checked into the Coma Hotel. When we check out, hotel rules no longer apply.

I must confess, however, that this kind of framing of the political events of the 60s is strange to me; I don't say it is wrong, it is just that personally I am not in the habit of seeing those questions and cognitive/metaphysical ones inside the same "framework" [sic!] . That's why all of this is rather intriguing. Can't say I'm a convert yet, but I am certainly open to new perspectives, and love to hear new ideas, as unusual as they might seem at first.

Indeed, Albert, this business remains "strange" even to me -- and I'm guilty of having brought forward the JFK-presidency-as-intel-op meme some time ago.

For decades I found myself at a loss to identify, let alone understand, the ultimate "why" of JFK's assassination -- among other deep political events -- absent deep inquiries into what you neatly term "cognitive/metaphysical" matters.

The late Bud Fensterwald often made the point that all intelligence operations worth the name have at least two objectives.

The many motives of the conspiracy's False Sponsors and Facilitators are not difficult to discern and have been discussed for fifty years.

I've come to the conclusion that the objectives of the true Sponsors of the Dealey Plaza regicide were to terminate a grave physical and spiritual threat -- JFK -- by ending his physical life in such a fashion and at the most opportune time as to turn the gold of his liberating spirit into the lead of despair.

Reverse alchemy, if you will.

And despair -- most often manifested in this case as endless uncertainty (and the accompanying fear that makes us akin, to paraphrase Peter Peter Matthiessen, to light-frightened lobsters backing into the safety of the trap) -- just may be the key component in the frame's construction.

As for the timing of JFK's murder, I would suggest that his light was allowed to reach maximum intensity before it was extinguished -- thus deepening and prolonging the ensuing darkness.

Or not.

[Phil Dragoo]

The powerful define consciousness. Such is the continual moral of fiction and religion, although these may be fungible.

Take Ralph Leon Yates for example.

The truth? In times of universal deceit speaking the truth is a revolutionary act.

The act of a heretic.

Vonnegut was dispensing with the Cat's Cradle, a strait jacket of conditioning.

Religion, psychiatry, politics

Nice, nice,
very nice
so many people in the same device

Escaping that device requires withdrawing the signed consent to allow mechanics of religion, psychiatry and politics to make our decisions
and hence our reality

Soviets were infamous for psychiatric gulags warehousing political prisoners

The question of why Man must imprison was wonderfully addressed by the Patrick McGoohan series The Prisoner

But the joke was on me there was nobody even there to bluff

Now comes Snowden to expose and provoke the masters

who will demonize him as they do all irritants

Are we not now immune?

I'm with Pooh--it's my favorite day: today.

[Stan Wilbourne]

Madame Blavatsky touched something that was the manifestation of total being. The rest of who she was and all the details of her life probably can never be known. But, she did unleash into the world the opportunity for a shift in being.

This manifestation created a crack in the closed, nested loop of human consciousness. This opening came to full fruition and was for the first time clear and accessible for all beginning at some point in the 1950s (or the latest, the early 60s).

Nazi Germany sought to discover the secrets of Blavatsky and use them as a resource. Nothing the Nazis approximated was coming from the Blavatsky source. It was only a reaction to it, an attempt to counter it.

At the end of WWII the Nazi power base was absorbed into the world power structure of the Rockefeller/Morgan/Dupont/Rothchild empire. The occult became very much a part of all this beginning in the 1940s.

This power structure was/is very much aware of the crack in human consciousness and what it would mean if the 100th monkey was ever to awaken. Their reign would be over; the ownership would end. The system is purposely shocked to keep it in place, to keep this awakening from happening.

The murder of President Kennedy was part of an on-going operation to shock and layer consciousness, to control being. It was never about Cuba or Vietnam or the oil depletion allowance. Not about pissing off the Mafia or Kennedy's endless struggle with the CIA. That's the story we're told, the way we frame these events in an attempt to come to understand them in a conscious way that makes sense to the boundaries of the frame. President Kennedy is the myth of the fallen King who could have saved the world from itself, and the tragedy of his senseless slaughter is promoted by the very forces that murdered him.

No-thing is the hammer that will shatter the frame, splinter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.

[Albert Rossi]

The murder of President Kennedy created a deep layer in the frame of our consciousness. Fortified its existence in the limited field of time. That was the intent. We, I think, are pushed into our own suffering, used as a resource and denied our birthright to the infinite. That works only as long as we are checked into the Coma Hotel. When we check out, hotel rules no longer apply.

I must confess, however, that this kind of framing of the political events of the 60s is strange to me; I don't say it is wrong, it is just that personally I am not in the habit of seeing those questions and cognitive/metaphysical ones inside the same "framework" [sic!] . That's why all of this is rather intriguing. Can't say I'm a convert yet, but I am certainly open to new perspectives, and love to hear new ideas, as unusual as they might seem at first.

Indeed, Albert, this business remains "strange" even to me -- and I'm guilty of having brought forward the JFK-presidency-as-intel-op meme some time ago.

For decades I found myself at a loss to identify, let alone understand, the ultimate "why" of JFK's assassination -- among other deep political events -- absent deep inquiries into what you neatly term "cognitive/metaphysical" matters.

The late Bud Fensterwald often made the point that all intelligence operations worth the name have at least two objectives.

The many motives of the conspiracy's False Sponsors and Facilitators are not difficult to discern and have been discussed for fifty years.

I've come to the conclusion that the objectives of the true Sponsors of the Dealey Plaza regicide were to terminate a grave physical and spiritual threat -- JFK -- by ending his physical life in such a fashion and at the most opportune time as to turn the gold of his liberating spirit into the lead of despair.

Reverse alchemy, if you will.

And despair -- most often manifested in this case as endless uncertainty (and the accompanying fear that makes us akin, to paraphrase Peter Peter Matthiessen, to light-frightened lobsters backing into the safety of the trap) -- just may be the key component in the frame's construction.

As for the timing of JFK's murder, I would suggest that his light was allowed to reach maximum intensity before it was extinguished -- thus deepening and prolonging the ensuing darkness.

Or not.

Charles, thank you for the contribution here, which I just got around to reading.

Your take on these events is provocative and I will continue chewing on it as I get to Evica's second book (unfortunately the stack of materials I have accumulated is significant and I am a slow reader, so I haven't gotten there yet).

Certainly I agree with Fensterwald's assertion that a well-conceived intel op has multiple objectives, which may very well include the fostering of generalized confusion and a sense of impotence (please excuse the gendered metaphor).

My own particular ambivalences about all this I suppose arise from my humanistic training (I am a product of the 70s); I need to keep balanced to some reasonable extent in my own thinking what may be attributable to unconscious, impersonal, even evolutionary, social structuring and culturally systemic effects, and what is actually the result of purposeful social engineering (through the media, etc.). And then there is even the loop-back potential that presents itself between those two possibilities. Or perhaps even a kind of chicken-or-egg question which can be asked about where the ultimate explanation lies for any given event or its consequences. It is not a simple question. But then what interesting questions are? Even the most simple and elegant "solution" (in the realm of mathematics or physics) does not betray the complexity of the problem it addresses (that's why the result is often called 'deep').

What presently astounds me is how a rather compartmentalized "interest" (that's too neutral a term, ethically; I should say "concern") of mine -- the realities of political and economic power, and the significance of the events of the 60s (and forward) -- has led me into a kind of discussion I would have never suspected.

[Albert Rossi]

Certainly I agree with Fensterwald's assertion that a well-conceived intel op has multiple objectives, which may very well include the fostering of generalized confusion and a sense of impotence (please excuse the gendered metaphor).

Speaking of state-sponsored panic and confusion, I just got done watching that 3-part BBC piece from 1992 on Gladio. "La strategia della tensione" (the strategy of tension) is a phrase I remember hearing repeated quite often on Italian TV and in the press during the 1990s. Interesting that my wife (who missed the bomb in the Bologna station in 1980 by one day -- she had taken that same train the day before) says none of her acquaintances thought the Brigate Rosse responsible for Moro's assassination: it didn't make sense for the Left to kill their strongest advocate inside the DC. Sounds familiar. And of course, the BR didn't have the expertise or wherewithal to pull off an operation like that without help from infiltrators.