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Joanides CIA documents?
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Just wondered if anyone knows the current play with the Joannides CIA documents FOI application? Any likely improvement with getting them with the new administration?
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The performance of the Agency in this matter exemplifies the deep-seated contempt in which intelligence agencies hold the American people. We paid for the creation of the documents, as part and parcel of a crazy war against a small country. We pay for the continuation of secrecy that surrounds the documentary record every time a CIA lawyer enters a courtroom to put forth legally (and morally) absurd reasons for denying us access to such material. We pay for the institutional contempt with the hard-earned knowledge that the powers-that-be are not our friends, and have not achieved their power for the purposes once suggested in civics textbooks. Your tax dollars at work... That being said...

If and when the Joannides documents that pertain to DRE reporting are released, there are, I believe, a couple of possibilities: 1.) We will find references to the use of Lee Oswald in one or more operations. 2.) The material revealed will prove to be absolutely innocuous.

If the latter (and I think it's a real possibility) the media response will be to scold the agency for being overly paranoid and wasting taxpayer money to prevent the release of such trivial material. In passing, it will be noted that, ONCE AGAIN, "conspiracy theorists" have shot their bolt, and the result of their fevered efforts is: little or nothing. Yet another reason why we should sleep securely at night in America. See, there's really nothing out there...

Is the actual Agency posture a genuine hard-core resistance to let go of important historical data, or part of a clever operation designed to flummox the research community? We shall see...
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Magda Hassan Wrote:Just wondered if anyone knows the current play with the Joannides CIA documents FOI application? Any likely improvement with getting them with the new administration?

Yes Magda: There is new information soon to be released to the public via the courts. April 17, this year Possada Carriles is to be re-indicted April 17. I posted the AP news release concerning this yesterday (current events thread) soon after the AP released it public. I have been told by a "sensitive source" , that the indictment mentioned below also has hundreds of pages concerning Joannides and others which the court will review, or has reviewed. I have been told by a Pentagon source that the CIA is in process of declassifing thousands of pages concerning Joannides because of the new indictment of Possada and the many pages that mention those operations that Joannides and others were associated with.

Below is the AP article:

the indictment handed down this week against the 81-year-old former CIA operative, who is accused of
Venezuela's Chavez sees 'good signals' from US

By JORGE RUEDA – 19 hours ago
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said he sees "good signals" from the United States after Cuban militant Luis Posada Carriles was charged with lying about his involvement in a series of 1997 bombings in Cuba.
Chavez made the remark to Caracas-based TV channel Telesur while traveling from China to Cuba, where he arrived for a visit Friday.

Chavez said he was encouraged by the indictment handed down this week against the 81-year-old former CIA operative, who is accused of lying about his involvement in bombings in Havana that killed an Italian tourist.
"They're opening a trial against Posada Carriles in the United States, they're summoning the terrorist again," Chavez said in the interview, which was shown Friday on Venezuelan state television.
"They seem like good signals on the part of the United States," Chavez said.
Venezuela has sought to reactivate a long-stalled request for the U.S. to extradite Posada, a naturalized Venezuelan citizen who is accused of masterminding the 1976 bombing of a Cuban airliner while living in Caracas.
Posada, who has denied wrongdoing, is due to be arraigned in U.S. federal court on April 17.
Chavez, whose relationship with Washington grew increasingly tense under former President George W. Bush, has said he hopes to "reset" Venezuela's relations with the United States under President Barack Obama.
The Venezuelan leader also said he was encouraged by U.S. authorities' cooperation in a large drug bust aboard a Venezuelan boat off South America. Chavez said the U.S. Coast Guard detected the Venezuelan-flagged boat in international waters and "called and asked permission to board."
"Now they're going to turn over to us the boat, the drugs, the prisoners. Those are good signals because that didn't used to happen," Chavez said.
U.S. Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Matt Moorlag in Miami said the Coast Guard located the Venezuela-flagged fishing boat 500 miles (800 kilometers) east of Brazil, boarded the vessel Wednesday and found about 2,500 pounds (1,135 kilograms) of cocaine.
Chavez suspended cooperation with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in 2005, accusing its agents of espionage — an accusation the DEA denies. Cooperation has been limited since then. (end of AP Article 04-11-09)
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Interesting and brings up the thought/question if Posada had anything at all to do with Dallas. Not that he'd have to, just because his case officer did [I'll bet!], but it wouldn't be beyond belief nor beyond the 'norm' of that time and those persons.........
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