11-04-2009, 06:17 PM
Nathaniel Heidenheimer Wrote:Hi im taking three grad classes and taking care of my alledged child so I am so busy and losing my mind-remainder.
One of my classes is on the Cold War from non us and russian perspective. In reality, thought the title makes it sound groovy, the class is far right with a pangloss of superficial multiculturalism... Sort of a Fareed Zakaria magaziny distortion written largely in accord with CIA injunction.
These past two weeks have been a real eyeopener into just how UNBELIVABLY BRAVE NEW WORLD we have fallen even in academic history departments.
If you had to read what I just read about Vietnam in this youthful X-file generation historian named Jeremi Suri you would lose your body hair and write similar posts into the wilderness. It is far far far far far beyond anything that could ever be imagined in the USSR.
He pins the whole thing -- including the basic creation of the DIEM project on JFK!!!!!!! He treats LBJ as a saintly grandfather whose only mission is to spread the NEW DEAL to Vietnam. It is cartoon and I am trying not to go epileptic on Tueday night so I have...
THESE QUESTIONS...
1) CAN SOMONE GIVE ME SOLID NUMBERS OF HOW MANY US TOTAL MILITARY PERSONNEL THERE WERE IN VIETNAM ON 11-22-63 HOPEFULLY THE BREAKDOWN . ALSO NUMBERS OF INTEL PEOPLE. ( I REALIZE THERE MAY BE AN OVERLAP) I AM ALMOST CERTAIN THAT OUR SORDID LYING TEXT VASTLY OVERSTATED THESE NUMBERS.
2) CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME GOOD NUMBERS ON THE NUMBER OF DEAD US AND VIETNAMESE KILLED BY 11-22-63.
ALSO PLEASE GIVE THE SOURCES OR AT LEAST PLACES TO LOOK.
The reason is I need some pretty exact figures because the author we were assigned to read blames kindly Uncle LBJ way way way less than JFK even though the numbers are the opposite . Be glad you did not read this book . The problem is it is so widely assigned in colleges right now that hundreds of thousands of kids are gettting brainwashed as I type and type.
I know I could search but I have zero time to spare and have alredy been forced to spend days detouring to refute completely insane attacks on JFK. Also people here might have the numbers and sources off the cuff.
Note: Please FEEL FREE TO TERMINATE THIS THREAD AFTER MISSION WEDENESDAY.
God forgive me, but I forgot just how good the footnotes were to Newcomb & Adams' seminal Murder From Within (Santa Barbara, Calif.: Probe 1974). This one's from chapter 8, "The War" :
Quote:Casualty figures indicate the level of military involvement. From 1961-1963, 120 Americans were killed, 492 wounded. Under Johnson, 1964-1968, 30, 494 were killed, 192, 090 wounded. Under Nixon, from 1969 to Aug. 5, 1972, 15,229 were killed, 110, 714 wounded. (Bert H. Cooper, Congressional Research Service, “Statistics on U.S. Participation in the Vietnam Conflict,” Aug. 15, 1972.)
Sorry, Nat!
