Mexico City - Part 1: The Evidence IS the Conspiracy

[Jim Hargrove]

A rifle and the pistol were allegedly ordered under the Hidell alias. It seems undisputed that "Harvey" possessed a rifle and a pistol subsequent to that point in time.

Are you sure Harvey possessed a rifle and pistol after those alleged mail orders were fulfilled? The "evidence" sucks, to put it mildly.

http://harveyandlee.net/Guns/Guns.html

Jim

[Drew Phipps]

Marina led the cops to the location where she thought the rifle was, on Nov 22, 1963. Oswald had a pistol in his hand when arrested that same day.

The weapons siezed by DPD, and the weapons in the National Archives, are not necessarily the SAME pistol and rifle as the ones he ordered. And yes, the evidence sucks.

[David Josephs]

I would offer that the man Ruby killed did not order the rifle or pistol, that the pistol in evidence is not the one used on Tippit or ever in Harvey's possession and he did not use HIDELL as an alias but as the identity of a ficticious person.
Only the SSS card - which is obviously a fake - ever connected the image of HARVEY with the name HIDELL.

He used "Robert Hidell" as a job reference
Dr. HIDEEL's vaccination is dated June 8 1963 (the stamp kit was covered with "June 8") so once again he is referring to a HIDEEL as a third person, not himself. This vaccination page might have been needed for his Passport application on June 23 yet was definitely needed for leaving the US and entering Mexico and leaving Mexico to enter the US... http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0309b.htm this is CE2121 which describes MExican officials boarding the bus and checking docs... Either way HIDEEL was not referring to HARVEY

and this doc shows that even by 11/24 AFTER the Klein's info was already in hand, that HIDELL was not necessarily an alias - an in fact there is no direct evidence that HARVEY ever claimed his name was Alek Hidell..

MAGDA - I took up the challenge and started to look into FPCC - the FPCC was formed by Robert Tabor from CBS news. https://archive.org/search.php?query=sub...mmittee%22

I have not read all the info related to FPCC yet - the link is to archive.org's books of senate hearings as shown below. I think it would make very interesting reading and well worth the time. Ultimately it appears to me that FPCC was designed to congregate the names of Castro supports... but I'll need to do more digging.

DJ

[Jim Hargrove]

Marina led the cops to the location where she thought the rifle was, on Nov 22, 1963. Oswald had a pistol in his hand when arrested that same day.

Marina was obviously a desperate young woman at the time, demonstrating, among other things, that she hadn't the slightest idea how to operate the camera she said she took the backyard photos with.

Jack Ruby may have handed Oswald the pistol outside the TSBD.

Victoria Adams, who worked in the TSBD, told the WC that she observed a man standing on the corner of Houston and Elm a few minutes after the assassination who may have been Jack Ruby. Across the street Mrs. Louis Velez, and two co-workers, saw Ruby walking up and down the street near the TSBD. When HARVEY Oswald came out of the building, they saw Ruby give a pistol to him (perhaps, as was reported, a pistol with a defective firing pin). The women knew Oswald, who ate with them at a nearby restaurant, and both were acquainted with Jack Ruby. Mrs. Velez told her story of Ruby giving Oswald a pistol to her mother (Mrs. Evelyn Harris), who was interviewed by FBI agent Manning on 11/30/63. Neither Mrs. Velez nor her co-workers were interviewed by the DPD or FBI and given the opportunity to confirm or deny their story. If their story is true, then Ruby was deeply involved in the assassination. Ruby knew and associated with LEE Oswald in the summer of 1963, while HARVEY and Marina were living in New Orleans. (From H&L Website)

[Drew Phipps]

I doubt that Marina was "desperate" at the time she was assisting Dallas PD and Dallas SO find the rifle in the garage. Those guys didn't speak Russian. It seems unlikely that they would threaten Marina (thru Paine) while both Paine and Marina were assisting them.

Eventually, I'm sure desperation was a part of her emotional state, but not during the first search.

Whether or not she took the pictures (which sworn testimony she has never retracted, BTW) she knew Oswald had A rifle, and A pistol.



David, I believe that you are uneccesarily splitting hairs. When you create, or use, a ficticious name or person, that IS "using an alias," even if you don't get caught specifically identifying yourself as the alias. Most people (who aren't spies) who create and use ficticious personas DONT WANT to be connected to that alias. It defeats the purpose of being able to deny committing whatever conduct they will later try to blame on the alias.

You should focus on why "Harvey" used the alias(es) - there was more than one -, and then ask your reader if the other use(s) of those alias(es) are consistent with "Harvey's" reasons, or with some other purpose. And then ask your readers who might have been in position to know that "Harvey" was using aliases.

[Drew Phipps]

Interesting that the FPCC's stated purpose is to counteract the mainstream media's propaganda.

[Magda Hassan]

MAGDA - I took up the challenge and started to look into FPCC - the FPCC was formed by Robert Tabor from CBS news. https://archive.org/search.php?query=sub...mmittee%22

I have not read all the info related to FPCC yet - the link is to archive.org's books of senate hearings as shown below. I think it would make very interesting reading and well worth the time. Ultimately it appears to me that FPCC was designed to congregate the names of Castro supports... but I'll need to do more digging.

DJ

Interesting that the FPCC's stated purpose is to counteract the mainstream media's propaganda.

Here are some more related articles:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/07/24/f...evolution/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/06/s...it-better/

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....219&page=3

http://www.unz.org/Pub/CounterpunchWeb-2008feb-00192

http://louisproyect.org/category/jfk/

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/1...comments=1

Sorry to derail thread. I'll make a new one if this goes further.

[David Josephs]

No worries Magda... it all goes into the big pot anyway...


Have to disagree with you Drew... an ALIAS is a name used in place of one's own identity. HIDELL was used by others to implicate HARVEY.

HARVEY himself never used HIDELL when referring to himself.
He never offered HIDELL ID when doing anything for himself...
NAGEL was known to have used HIDELL as his alias at times...

Like Maurice Bishop was Phillips alias as he himself used the alias... it was not fostered upon him by others.

Can you offer any evidence to support his using Hidell as an alias rather than to refer to someone else?
Prove your assertion before making me ponder questions about unsupported assumptions.

And if we are now going to talk about Marina's testimony as something reliable and honest I have a Silly Bullet Theory to sell you.
Marina told FBI and SS that she never worked a camera in her life - in Nov 1963
When her testimony comes around, things change... it's in the article.

She never worked it, she took 1 photo, wait 2 photos, no it was 3 photos... c'mon Drew. Like Marguerite, Marina is a fraud.

the SS interview Nov 29th: "She was asked whether she had any knowledge of Lee's trips to Mexico or Washington, D.C. She replied in the negative. She was asked whether she or Lee had any cameras and she replied that Lee bought one camera in Russia and a second one in the United States. She said one was a small camera and the other was a box camera. She added that sho was not proficient with operating any Cameras and she never had an opportunity to do so." See here ("never had an opportunity to work the camera" requires yet another back-peddling recant when the infamous Backyard photos come up)