Fake bonds in Italy, uh Vatican, again

[Carsten Wiethoff]

This time an American and a Dutch national had fake bonds with a face value of 3 trillion Euros. Quite a number.

From http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26811528

Italian police have arrested two men who were allegedly trying to deposit trillions of euros in fake bonds in the Vatican bank.
Officials say the pair, an American and a Dutch national, claimed they had an appointment with bank officials to gain entry but were handed over to police.
Fake bonds with a face value of 3tr euros ($4.1tr; £2.5tr) were found in their briefcase, the officials say.
The suspects were reportedly hoping to open a line of credit at the bank.
The bank - officially called the Institute for the Works of Religion - runs thousands of private accounts held by cardinals, bishops and religious orders all over the world.
The two suspects were later released pending further investigation, Financial Guard police officer Davide Cardia told AP news agency, as Italian law does not require arrest for fraud investigations.

[Peter Lemkin]

3.000.000.000.000 Euro! Wow!..... Now, that's 'real' money - except when its fake money. No one unknown in the world of high finance could possibly have such amounts! And they let them go! Someone's been drinking too much of that ceremonial wine! I'll bet my next 3 trillion Euro they don't show for their court appearance!::

[Timothy Silver]

So I've come to the conclusion that this is a major 'deep politics' event but I am still working out the details. The rabbit hole goes pretty deep.

I've recently learned about an institutionalized counterfeiting program begun under the Third Reich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bernhard

The Third Reich institutionalized counterfeiting operations during world war II, ostensibly to destabilize the British economy. They ended up using the 'neutral' sites of the Vatican and Swiss bank accounts to cash in on their operations, a plan which evolved well beyond the original intention of dropping the notes into the british mainland for citizens to collect and use.

This recent news is one piece of a long string of stories of fake bonds caught, as the title of this thread implies. One particular case is from 2009, when two Japanese nationals were caught with 134 billion in US Bearer Bonds, allegedly attempting to bring them into switzerland.


Joe Weisenthal, editor of businessinsider, noted this regarding the quality of the counterfeit:

"it would be the kind of technology you would expect only a government to have."

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/12/unpr...zarre.html

That is, if they were even counterfeit at all. The ownership of the bonds was traced to the Dragon Family, a secretive and reclusive group of asian families, who allegedly had a legitimate claim to the money. How could private individuals amass such a staggering sum? The lawsuit filed on behalf of the family claimed that the bonds were on the books at the Federal Reserve, along with many trillions of other similar bonds.


From the lawsuit, cited in the above source:

During the course of its existence over the last century, the Dragon Family has accumulated great wealth by having provided the Federal Reserve Bank and the United States Government with asset assignments of gold and silver via certain accounts held in Switzerland, for which it has received consideration in the form of a variety of Notes, Bonds, Certificates such as those described in ¶ 2 that are an obligation of the Federal Reserve System. Upon information and belief, these bonds have values ranging in the many Thousands of Trillions of United States Dollars, a relatively small portion of which is involved in the claims giving rise to this action. Each of these currencies, such as the DFFI (Dragon Family Financial Instrument) involved in this action, was and remains duly registered within the Federal Reserve System and are directly verifiable by the Federal Reserve through its efficient verification system and screening process

One question I have regarding the most recent news is, why such an obvious disclosure of these bonds? Is it revealing an 'occult economy' that developed during World War II or before, or sending a message to someone or some institution?

Sorry this raises much more questions than answers, just started looking into the phenomenon today.

[Carsten Wiethoff]

This recent news is one piece of a long string of stories of fake bonds caught, as the title of this thread implies. One particular case is from 2009, when two Japanese nationals were caught with 134 billion in US Bearer Bonds, allegedly attempting to bring them into switzerland.

I do remember this 2009 case vividly, and there is a long thread about it on this forum. In 2009 there were pictures published about so called "Kennedy Bonds", allegedly worth one billion (dollars?). I do have in my posession such a paper, which I bought on ebay and which is clearly a commemorative note of the Kennedy space center, having no monetary value at all, but also not claiming to do so. For example, nowhere on the paper is the word "dollar" mentioned.
So in this case it is even difficult to call this paper fake, because it isn't, but is also not any kind of bearer bond. The Japanese guys allegedly carried ten of these papers.
I have no idea what type of papers the guys at the vatican carried, but they obviously created some of these in their hotel room, at least the police found some tools there.
I fail to believe that any serious attempt of fraud by more than a bunch of idiots would work at this level of sophistication.

[Lauren Johnson]

Timothy, you started me on reddit.

I found a long thread on fake bonds that you doubt have seen based on Joseph Farrell's work. I haven't digested it yet.

[David Guyatt]

This recent news is one piece of a long string of stories of fake bonds caught, as the title of this thread implies. One particular case is from 2009, when two Japanese nationals were caught with 134 billion in US Bearer Bonds, allegedly attempting to bring them into switzerland.

I do remember this 2009 case vividly, and there is a long thread about it on this forum. In 2009 there were pictures published about so called "Kennedy Bonds", allegedly worth one billion (dollars?). I do have in my posession such a paper, which I bought on ebay and which is clearly a commemorative note of the Kennedy space center, having no monetary value at all, but also not claiming to do so. For example, nowhere on the paper is the word "dollar" mentioned.
So in this case it is even difficult to call this paper fake, because it isn't, but is also not any kind of bearer bond. The Japanese guys allegedly carried ten of these papers.
I have no idea what type of papers the guys at the vatican carried, but they obviously created some of these in their hotel room, at least the police found some tools there.
I fail to believe that any serious attempt of fraud by more than a bunch of idiots would work at this level of sophistication.

It would be good t be able to see some of the "fake" bonds wouldn't it. It was also interesting that they said they had an appointment at the IOR too? It has been one of the dirtiest money-laundering banks in the world for decades past.

The Dragon family story is an old one that has been around for decades. The figures mentioned by Timothy are simply too big to be believable and remind of the Philippines bonds/certificates story circa 1934.

But then there was a certain American lady peddling an even more mind-boggling story involving unimaginably humungeous instruments that went into the multiple quadrillions.

It's always a case of sorting out the wheat from the chaff. The latter is there in plenty.

[Charlie Prima]

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[R.K. Locke]

Yes, all this ties in with Sterling Seagrave's research, which also links to the Kennedy assassination (symbolically at the very least) via people like Norbert Schlei and Ed Lansdale.

http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/f...%E2%80%9D/

[Charlie Prima]

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[Magda Hassan]

This recent news is one piece of a long string of stories of fake bonds caught, as the title of this thread implies. One particular case is from 2009, when two Japanese nationals were caught with 134 billion in US Bearer Bonds, allegedly attempting to bring them into switzerland.

I do remember this 2009 case vividly, and there is a long thread about it on this forum. In 2009 there were pictures published about so called "Kennedy Bonds", allegedly worth one billion (dollars?). I do have in my posession such a paper, which I bought on ebay and which is clearly a commemorative note of the Kennedy space center, having no monetary value at all, but also not claiming to do so. For example, nowhere on the paper is the word "dollar" mentioned.
So in this case it is even difficult to call this paper fake, because it isn't, but is also not any kind of bearer bond. The Japanese guys allegedly carried ten of these papers.
I have no idea what type of papers the guys at the vatican carried, but they obviously created some of these in their hotel room, at least the police found some tools there.
I fail to believe that any serious attempt of fraud by more than a bunch of idiots would work at this level of sophistication.

Here is the other thread we had on the previous Italian job.
https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...d-in-Italy