Brice Taylor: Thanks for the Memories

[David Guyatt]

I have a lot of respect for Walter Bowart and if he says he is inclined to believe her that would effect my thinking.

But my cynicism is, never-the-less, still operative. Seeing her as a hostess with Bob Hope doesn't make him to be her Monarch owner.

In the last analysis it comes dow to belief. Do you believe her or not.

Her references to Operation Monarch, Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien was a loud alarm bell for me.

[Lauren Johnson]

Here is an interesting one star Amazon review from a woman claiming to have been mind controlled by the CIA about Brice Taylor, et. al.:

In a way this book helped me because I was convinced that I was crazy when the memories were coming back. Now at least a FEW people might believe me. A few. I was dating a high priced psychologist with an excellent rep who served mostly wealthy clients, when my memories began returning for the second time(they had stopped for awhile). I brought up that I think I was under CIA mind control and he said that stuff doesn't happen. I pointed out the books that have come out such as this one, and he said "those people are considered delusional and have schizophrenia". He was essentially dismissing me. He is in contact socially with a larger group of psychologists who meet regularly and discuss these issues. This means this is the general consensus of psychologists in Orange County. That's sad. It is sad because books like this make it more likely for a mental health professional to dismiss real victims having real problems.Sure they take your money and maybe humor you, but they don't take you seriously. They just write down you are psychotic so they can bill your insurance more. This review is a lone one star among a sea of five star reviews but this is not a mirror of a larger society. This book was written under the "help" of "ex" CIA agent Mark Phillips, who even now claims Brice plagiarized if from Cathy. Why Mark backpedaled on that I don't know There was never a Project Monarch. The victims that testified for the presidential committee in March 1995, NEVER mention a Project Monarch although they do mention Artichoke. And these victims WERE programmed for prostitution as well. Also those victims LOOKED like they have been sexually abused. Let me explain. When you are abused and used sexually, you tend to make yourself less attractive OR at least you put less effort into your appearance. Even if you have healed and stuff, you have a special perspective on what attractiveness and male attention really means. These women still look like models who work out or something. They dress nice and wear make up. It just doesn't fit for those claimed to be abused as badly as they were. That is just my personal take on it. In a way I am grateful because these women came attached to credible people who made it so at least a small portion of people might believe me. But at least before people may have at least looked into it and been more open minded before dismissing it as just crazy. At first I didn't know which camp I am in, but now I am in the camp that believes she is the product of a disinformation agent who backpedaled later. Memories CAN be imagined. I believe I may have even imagined SOME of mine. Memories are weird things, they can be like dreams. It is important to at least be open to the idea that you could have fabricated come of it. But neither Brice or Cathy do. I don't know. This book acts like a double edged sword for victims. Mind control remains contained within the narrow conspiracy minded community and good luck getting help in recovery especially if you don't have a lot of money.

[Magda Hassan]

Here is an interesting one star Amazon review from a woman claiming to have been mind controlled by the CIA about Brice Taylor, et. al.:

... I brought up that I think I was under CIA mind control and he said that stuff doesn't happen. I pointed out the books that have come out such as this one, and he said "those people are considered delusional and have schizophrenia". He was essentially dismissing me. He is in contact socially with a larger group of psychologists who meet regularly and discuss these issues. This means this is the general consensus of psychologists in Orange County. That's sad...

It is a shame that most psychologists are abysmally unaware of the Martha Mitchell effect.

[Lauren Johnson]

I have a lot of respect for Walter Bowart and if he says he is inclined to believe her that would effect my thinking.

But my cynicism is, never-the-less, still operative. Seeing her as a hostess with Bob Hope doesn't make him to be her Monarch owner.

In the last analysis it comes dow to belief. Do you believe her or not.

Her references to Operation Monarch, Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien was a loud alarm bell for me.

I'm finishing up with this. A couple of things. You are aware that Sue Ford has broken off all ties to Phillips/O'Brien? Here is what she says, in case you did not read this book:

The CIA Lends a Hand? Tennessee Bound

But a breakthrough occurred. Ted Gunderson called to inform me that he had just heard from
another woman who lived across the nation, who had also sent him her memory work about being used
as a sex slave to Ronald Reagan. Although it was a terrifying time for me, it also was an amazing time of
discovery for all of us. Mark Phillips, her so-called therapist and deprogrammer flew across the nation
and told me that "Jimmy Carter's people" had called him in an attempt to stop him from meeting with
me. I flew Mark and Cathy O'Brien to California to meet with me for the first time and I put on a seminar
where they were the featured speakers. Mark Phillips knew all about my programming. Looking back on
it now, he seemed to know way too much. He asked me if I had "a twin sister who was two inches shorter
than me." This was a very powerful key and code into the programming of my "inner twin sister,"
Sharon, and this seemingly simple statement controlled my body in a very intimate way from the
outside, showing me while in normal consciousness that I was indeed a robot, and not in control of my
own body. Shortly after Mark and Cathy's arrival and seminar, a series of events occurred including an
accident and ensuing hospitalization of the person that was living with me as my safe person. Mark
Phillips explained that I was not safe in California and once again I ended up running. I paid to fly Mark,
Cathy and I back to his mother's home in Charlotte, Tennessee where we began my process of what we
then called "deprogramming."

Several weeks later, with nearly 10 years of recovery behind me, this so-called "retired?!" CIA
operative made dramatic changes in his living arrangements just to "help me deprogram." After
relocating across the country, to a home in Arab, Alabama where I paid all domestic expenses for the
three of us, a large sum of money for traveling expenses for both he, his girlfriend Cathy, and myself, and
a large 'consulting fee,' this renegade CIA operative read my lengthy journal entries daily for a year and a
half and agreed that in his own words, "the memory work contains absolute elements of fact laced with
verifiable details." But one and one-half years, forty-two journals, and $50,000+ traveling and living
expenses later, Mark Phillips informed me that nothing had ever happened to me ...nothing what-so-
ever!

Cathy O'Brien said, "Well, you should be happy that nothing happened and that your children
have not been abused!" I couldn't believe she was saying that, after all the common details of our
histories we had shared.

I was devastated and went to bed and could not eat for three days and remained
noncommunicative and totally subdued for nearly a month afterwards. After all this time of intensely
focused attention on my history, Mark informed me that I had never even been abused, and that I just
had a big imagination. But, he had seemed to appreciate that I was around to cover all of his expenses.
I suspect that Mark is some kind of "containment agent" who is being directed through his
"handlers" whose motivations ultimately serve the New World Order. Through his containment
expertise, the information I have conveyed to you in this book you are now reading was delayed in
reaching you by nearly seven years. After I moved, I found out that Mark had initially told Walter Bowart
(author of Operation Mind Control and eyewitness to my use with Bob Hope in Palm Springs) that I was
schizophrenic, and since then, I have uncovered a string of lies he told others in an attempt to discredit
me.

I also reconnected with another Kissinger survivor that Mark Phillips had worked with for a time. Mark Phillips told her the same thing he told me - "THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO YOU!" With my trust shattered, Ted Gunderson, Catherine Gould, Margaret Paul, Walter Bowart and many others supported me in what I knew to be the truth of my life. I left that home where I had paid all expenses for Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien and went to live in Carbondale, Illinois. I had a slower pace there and life was sweet while the situation lasted. It was a time of rest and recuperation as the final integration I had achieved in 1996, solidified into even greater strength and unification while I remained safe. (pp293-4)

Another ritual abuse survivor Katherine Sullivan lends more possible light on Sue Ford (Brice Taylor) in this link where she says: I am the woman Brice Taylor mentioned as also having been lied to and more by Mark Phillips. She describes her mixed feelings about her. But she is absolutely convinced that Phillips and O'Brien are fabulists and that Phillips is still very much in the company. She suspects that David Icke was in it with them as well. In fact, it made sick just describing how the three of them made her feel. It's a long narrative.

At any rate, this is all a very dirty house of mirrors. Yes, I think Sue Ford is telling the truth, as she remembers it. There is the rub. She may be under a mind control program that causes her to inflate her memories, or she has been told to add some elements into her story that would make her seem not credible. And she would do this in order to keep herself and her family alive. Conjecture. I am sad to even think that even a small portion of what these women say is true.

Could it be that most of it is one big male fantasy that women can be programmed to just want to please them with no consequences? Just watch any number of TV commercials depicting glorious beautiful women getting all excited about beer or cars -- brainless women who can be made to do what ever you desire.

Yes. I think she is telling the truth while still suffering from the fog of a personal war for her survival.

EDIT: Kathleen Sullivan says this about Kathy O'Brien:

3) I'm convinced that the greatest source of danger lies in certain people from my past. I know from personal experience that some of them are vicious, totally paranoid, and vengeful. I believe that Cathy O'Brien is alive because she is being used by handlers as a lure and as an unwitting conduit for disinfo. This makes her more of an asset to them, than a liability. I am very concerned about her safety, however, should she ever stop cooperating with the wrong folks.

Enough. Leaving the Hall of Mirrors. In closing, this:

[David Guyatt]

I appreciate what you say Lauren.

However, I'm going to stick my cynicism about her. There is just too much she says that I find too hard to digest.

The chattel of Bob Hope. A sex slave to Ronnie Raygun (did he stay awake or just nod off half way through the oration?) Etc. Too sensational by far for my conservative Brit tastes.

We'll agree to disagree, okay.

[Lauren Johnson]

I appreciate what you say Lauren.

However, I'm going to stick my cynicism about her. There is just too much she says that I find too hard to digest.

The chattel of Bob Hope. A sex slave to Ronnie Raygun (did he stay awake or just nod off half way through the oration?) Etc. Too sensational by far for my conservative Brit tastes.

We'll agree to disagree, okay.

Absolutely.

While I am at it, here is Kathleen Sulllivan's book, Unshackled.

[Lauren Johnson]

Jumping back into the Way Back Machine again, here is something Jan Klimkowski wrote, which helps with terminological clarity. Much of what is now called the Monarch Program was introduced by Dr. D. Corydon Hammond in what is now called the Greenbaum Speech.

I called the speech "notorious".

That is an acknowledgement of its importance, not an endorsement.

I'm happy to expand on my view of Greenbaum.

I believe it gives genuine insights into some of the bizarre phenomena that therapists were encountering inside the minds of their patients. The "Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta" dissociated identities element is something that nearly all the therapists that I trust independently referenced, either directly or in an analogous form.

However, I have not seen hard evidence to support some of Hammond's very specific historical claims, or his talk of "bloodline" and "non-bloodline". Some of this I regard as provocative and matters for further research, as opposed to proven or unproven.

I do find it difficult to believe that whether a patient was "bloodline" or "non-bloodline" could be easily established by therapists, and question whether such a concept even exists. Given the elite infatuation with eugenics it cannot be entirely ruled out.

Lauren - what has been lost in the historical record is that talk of Operation Monarch surfaced almost entirely through the case of Cathy O'Brien, which was promoted by her sininster chaperone, Mark Phillips. Phillips was (former) NSA. There is no documentary evidence to support the existence of a mind control programme called "Monarch".

The programming it described, sometimes termed "marionette" programming, is hugely unwieldy.

My considered view is that Cathy O'Brien probably was a victim of an MK-ULTRA offshoot mind control programme, and she continued to be a victim as she was used in a psyop named Monarch whose purposes included but were not limited to:

i) discrediting victims of real, known, documented programmes such as "MK-ULTRA", who were surfacing in the late 80s and 90s;

ii) hoovering up those new victims, so that their willingness to speak would be known to the criminals who'd programmed them before it was known to researchers and therapists.

As I wrote above, in my judgement, Monarch and the False Memory Syndrome Foundation represent the two major attempts to cover up these crimes and lead researchers into false territory.

I compare the above with the approach of therapist Valerie Wolf, some of whose patients testified before the US Presidential Human Radiation Experiments Hearings in 1995.

I have interviewed some of Valerie Wolf's patients, and attempted to independently corroborate some of their claims. I have confidences which I have sworn to respect, and will. However, I will say that there were two doctors named to me by patients of Wolf as "MK-ULTRA" doctors who at the time they told me (early to mid 90s), had not been identified as being involved in these programmes. We now know that they were regular confidantes of key "MK-ULTRA" players, and even collaborated with the likes of West, Orne and Heath in published research.

[Magda Hassan]

Thanks for that Lauren. It does spell out the terminology much more clearly.