Phantom Shot

[Gordon Gray]

People should check out the Bob Prudhomme thread on the various wounds. What happened to the bullet all depends on what kind of ammunition was being used. The point remains that all photographic evidence shows Kennedy in an upright position at the time when he could have been struck in the back with the bullet exiting his neck and striking Connally. This could not have happened if the back wound was significantly lower than the neck wound, which it was. Ergo no SBT, and more than one shooter.

[Bob Prudhomme]

Bob Mady

Try this out, if you please. Sit upright, facing forwards and, with your forearm resting on your chest, place your index finger on your trachea (windpipe) just below the Adam's apple. Now, turn your head to the right. Notice that your trachea does not move to the side of your neck but, rather, remains in position?

Whether JFK was shot from front to back or back to front, and whether he was turned to the right or looking straight ahead, you cannot get a bullet from the right centre of his trachea to a wound 1.5-2 inches to the right of the spinal mid line without passing through the vertebrae.

Period.

[Drew Phipps]

For a bullet travelling from a highly elevated shooting position, entering JFK's back below the shoulder line and exiting above the shoulder line, it would necessarily have to change course inside the body, implying that it hit something, or that a great deal of its rotational inertia had been converted from spin to yaw (which implies a rather larger loss of velocity than is allowed by the SBT). If you put the back shooter in a less elevated position the physics of the bullet's alleged flight path thru JFK's body is a lot less problematic.

How the bullet then resumes a downward course to strike Connally is another matter.

[Bob Mady]

For a bullet travelling from a highly elevated shooting position, entering JFK's back below the shoulder line and exiting above the shoulder line, it would necessarily have to change course inside the body, implying that it hit something, or that a great deal of its rotational inertia had been converted from spin to yaw (which implies a rather larger loss of velocity than is allowed by the SBT). If you put the back shooter in a less elevated position the physics of the bullet's alleged flight path thru JFK's body is a lot less problematic.

How the bullet then resumes a downward course to strike Connally is another matter.

Given the back wound location and the front wound location, why does it make any difference if the bullet went in one side or the other, by necessity either way the path is the same.

Did the bullet strike the vertebrae or not?
Does it matter?

Was it really autopsied to know for sure?

[Drew Phipps]

It only matters if you are interested in the truth.

[Bob Mady]

It only matters if you are interested in the truth.

I am interested in the truth, do you know what it is?

[Bob Prudhomme]

It only matters if you are interested in the truth.

I am interested in the truth, do you know what it is?

You want the truth??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

But seriously, here is the anatomical truth, as I understand it.

The cervical vertebrae, all seven of them, are neatly stacked in a pile and sit atop of the thoracic vertebrae. Each vertebra has a projection out each side, and these are known as the "transverse processes".

JFK was shot, or so we are told, at the level of the join between cervical vertebra C7 and thoracic vertebra T1. It is an anatomical fact that the right transverse process of the T1 vertebra is longer than the transverse process of the C7 vertebra. We are told that the bullet missed the tip of the C7 transverse process but grazed the upper edge of the T1 transverse process, and that this was what made the downward travelling bullet level out and carry on to Connally's armpit. What made it turn down again at Connally's armpit is something no one has quite been able to figure out. It should be also pointed out that the space between the C7 transverse process and the T1 transverse process is not large enough for a 6.5mm bullet to pass through.

Anyways, for a bullet to enter the upper back (or lower neck, take your pick), miss the tip of the C7 right transverse process and still travel through the right side of the trachea would require that bullet to be travelling a right to left course through the neck at a minimum angle of 23° from a line drawn through the centre of the spine and sternum. As the Sniper's Nest was only 9° laterally from a line drawn longitudinally through the limo, JFK would have had to have his shoulders turned to the right a minimum of 14°, which he did not do.

This would only get the bullet through JFK's neck without hitting vertebrae; how it then found its way to the right again to hit Connally's armpit is another mystery.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...WHD48V.jpg

Below, from Gray's Anatomy, is a cross section of the neck at the C6 vertebra, which is similar in size to C7. The vertebra is shown in speckled. The bullet would have to clear the outside edge of the transverse process, shown here projecting to the left, and go on to hit the outer left portion of the trachea, shown at the top of the drawing. Note the close proximity of the carotid artery to the path of the bullet.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...ray384.png

Cross section of neck at T1. Vertebra shown in light brown, trachea at top of drawing.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...39311W.jpg

Just to break up the monotony, here is one about killing trees.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...de1cdb.jpg

Just to give you some idea of the sea of blood vessels the Magic Bullet had to navigate.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...ages-3.jpg

[Bob Mady]

It only matters if you are interested in the truth.

I am interested in the truth, do you know what it is?

You want the truth??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

But seriously, here is the anatomical truth, as I understand it.

The cervical vertebrae, all seven of them, are neatly stacked in a pile and sit atop of the thoracic vertebrae. Each vertebra has a projection out each side, and these are known as the "transverse processes".

JFK was shot, or so we are told, at the level of the join between cervical vertebra C7 and thoracic vertebra T1. It is an anatomical fact that the right transverse process of the T1 vertebra is longer than the transverse process of the C7 vertebra. We are told that the bullet missed the tip of the C7 transverse process but grazed the upper edge of the T1 transverse process, and that this was what made the downward travelling bullet level out and carry on to Connally's armpit. What made it turn down again at Connally's armpit is something no one has quite been able to figure out. It should be also pointed out that the space between the C7 transverse process and the T1 transverse process is not large enough for a 6.5mm bullet to pass through.

Anyways, for a bullet to enter the upper back (or lower neck, take your pick), miss the tip of the C7 right transverse process and still travel through the right side of the trachea would require that bullet to be travelling a right to left course through the neck at a minimum angle of 23° from a line drawn through the centre of the spine and sternum. As the Sniper's Nest was only 9° laterally from a line drawn longitudinally through the limo, JFK would have had to have his shoulders turned to the right a minimum of 14°, which he did not do.

This would only get the bullet through JFK's neck without hitting vertebrae; how it then found its way to the right again to hit Connally's armpit is another mystery.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...WHD48V.jpg

Below, from Gray's Anatomy, is a cross section of the neck at the C6 vertebra, which is similar in size to C7. The vertebra is shown in speckled. The bullet would have to clear the outside edge of the transverse process, shown here projecting to the left, and go on to hit the outer left portion of the trachea, shown at the top of the drawing. Note the close proximity of the carotid artery to the path of the bullet.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...ray384.png

Cross section of neck at T1. Vertebra shown in light brown, trachea at top of drawing.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...39311W.jpg

Just to break up the monotony, here is one about killing trees.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...de1cdb.jpg

Just to give you some idea of the sea of blood vessels the Magic Bullet had to navigate.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...ages-3.jpg

Bob, I remain confused in that lets say I believe the bullet struck KENNEDY in the throat, did it pass out his back or was it traveling at a speed were it did not pass thru his body, the hole on his back being added later to explain the pristine bullet?

In other words, the bullet either went thru these holes front to back or back to front or was it just an entry wound in the neck?

As far as the bullet coming from behind i.e. TSBD, I have not seen compelling evidence for this.

In other words two holes 1 bullet, there must be a path, correct?

[Drew Phipps]

I do not "know" the truth of the JFK assassination. I'm still looking for the correct answers. I do know some lies have been told about the killing.

If it were two holes one bullet there would have to be a path. According to sworn testimony, the autopsy doctors were ordered not to trace the path of the bullet.

[Bob Prudhomme]

It only matters if you are interested in the truth.

I am interested in the truth, do you know what it is?

You want the truth??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!

But seriously, here is the anatomical truth, as I understand it.

The cervical vertebrae, all seven of them, are neatly stacked in a pile and sit atop of the thoracic vertebrae. Each vertebra has a projection out each side, and these are known as the "transverse processes".

JFK was shot, or so we are told, at the level of the join between cervical vertebra C7 and thoracic vertebra T1. It is an anatomical fact that the right transverse process of the T1 vertebra is longer than the transverse process of the C7 vertebra. We are told that the bullet missed the tip of the C7 transverse process but grazed the upper edge of the T1 transverse process, and that this was what made the downward travelling bullet level out and carry on to Connally's armpit. What made it turn down again at Connally's armpit is something no one has quite been able to figure out. It should be also pointed out that the space between the C7 transverse process and the T1 transverse process is not large enough for a 6.5mm bullet to pass through.

Anyways, for a bullet to enter the upper back (or lower neck, take your pick), miss the tip of the C7 right transverse process and still travel through the right side of the trachea would require that bullet to be travelling a right to left course through the neck at a minimum angle of 23° from a line drawn through the centre of the spine and sternum. As the Sniper's Nest was only 9° laterally from a line drawn longitudinally through the limo, JFK would have had to have his shoulders turned to the right a minimum of 14°, which he did not do.

This would only get the bullet through JFK's neck without hitting vertebrae; how it then found its way to the right again to hit Connally's armpit is another mystery.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...WHD48V.jpg

Below, from Gray's Anatomy, is a cross section of the neck at the C6 vertebra, which is similar in size to C7. The vertebra is shown in speckled. The bullet would have to clear the outside edge of the transverse process, shown here projecting to the left, and go on to hit the outer left portion of the trachea, shown at the top of the drawing. Note the close proximity of the carotid artery to the path of the bullet.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...ray384.png

Cross section of neck at T1. Vertebra shown in light brown, trachea at top of drawing.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...39311W.jpg

Just to break up the monotony, here is one about killing trees.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...de1cdb.jpg

Just to give you some idea of the sea of blood vessels the Magic Bullet had to navigate.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee36...ages-3.jpg

Bob, I remain confused in that lets say I believe the bullet struck KENNEDY in the throat, did it pass out his back or was it traveling at a speed were it did not pass thru his body, the hole on his back being added later to explain the pristine bullet?

In other words, the bullet either went thru these holes front to back or back to front or was it just an entry wound in the neck?

As far as the bullet coming from behind i.e. TSBD, I have not seen compelling evidence for this.

In other words two holes 1 bullet, there must be a path, correct?

No, not at all. Have you read the thread I started on here, "Inexplicable Wounds made by Special Bullets"?

The three greatest lies about the back wound are this:

1. JFK was struck in the back of the neck at the collar line, and not 5 3/4 inches below the collar line at the level of thoracic vertebra T3, as observed by many witnesses and as was recorded by Admiral Burkley on JFK's death certificate.

2. The back wound was a shallow wound made by a bullet that did not penetrate more than an inch, and certainly did not enter the top of JFK's right lung.

3. The bullet that caused the back wound on JFK was a "short shot" and was fired from a defective rifle cartridge that was unable to propel the bullet at sufficient velocity to penetrate JFK's back more than an inch.

If you can get past this mythology, the truth is just on the other side.

P.S.

Too bad about the gag order over at the Ed Forum. I might not agree with everything you say but, I like your threads, as they tend to make people think, and then go back and do more homework.