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Why is the United States turning their back on Israel?
#1
The AIIB and the US's historical banking partners joining is a major cause for this for this. The underlying cause, however, is that our "banking system" is a simple system of usury that was designed to funnel wealth to the wealthy from the rest of us. They, of course, got too greedy and wrecked the markets, but not before we all got looted pretty good and turned into debt slaves. You can say I'm exaggerating, but doesn't the average house have $10k in credit card debt? What's a 30 year mortgage again? How are those student loans? Yeah.. I'm not exaggerating.

It appears to me like the US is turning their back on Israel and my guess is that all of a sudden there will be a lot of proof in the MSM that Israel has taken advantage of us and our politicians were totally not in on it. You don't think they would actually take the blame themselves, do you?


Saying some of the things that US politicians have begun saying in the past few weeks about Israel would have been career suicide, even for a president, a decade (or even just a few years) ago. Something is shifting and I think we are going to see Israel become the scapegoat. Unfortunately, I think a lot of innocent people are going to be hurt in the process.


In the past few days, I've read the following:


I'm of the mindset that the propaganda you see today will be the policy of tomorrow. You just have to ask yourself "why?" My answer is that they are going to blame Israel. Everything seems to be lining up too perfectly. Is this as bad as it appears?

Sorry if this isn't a very good post. It is my first post here. If there are any suggestions, please let me know.
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#2
Welcome to the forum, Clark. My opinions about Israel have changed dramatically over the years. I used to be quite an admirer of the Israelis back in the 1980s and 1990s, but I read a lot of pro-Israel propaganda back then (and saw movies like Victory at Entebbe, Raid on Entebbe, Exodus, A Woman Called Golda). Then I began to read more critical works, the Palestinian point of view, learned about the USS Liberty attack. So now I am very opposed to the Israeli military-industrial complex, and the political/religious Zionists (both Jew and Gentile, here and abroad).

As far as the US government goes, there have always been people skeptical of tying US policy too closely toward Israel (much of the State Dept, Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy). They were more pro-Arab. Then it changed completely with LBJ. Since then, the Israelis have managed to terrify most members of Congress and the media into supporting anything Israel does. It's gone way too far.

I don't know what's really going on today (at a deep state level), but I think once again some elements of the US national security state are arguing that we are not getting any benefits from the relationship with Israel, and that the Neo-Cons are trying to pull us into more wars for Israeli security. Of course, at a deep state level, Israel has a covert relationship with Saudi Arabia and Egypt, so it's complicated.
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#3
Welcome Clark. I see really quite significant changes taking place in the world, most notably with the AIIB and the founding of the BRICS bank, plus the opening of the Eurasian rail link that avoids the high seas that the US control.

For me these are the real tectonic shifts taking place.

On Israel, my guess is that Netanyahu so pissed off Obama for addressing Congress, that he's going to make the him and Israel pay dearly for the arrogance of it. I'm not sure, yet anyway, if this amounts to anything more than one US Administrations position and I wonder what will happen after Obama has served his second term. I expect that the next Administration will go back to the Israel as usual position of all prior Admins. Hopefully not, but quite likely bearing in mind what a death grip the Neocons have on the US political and media landscape.

But my fingers are crossed...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#4
Here's another version of the Israel thing, which should not be dismissed:

Quote:Despite several highly publicized spats, the essence of US-Israeli ties hasn't changed, and the two are as close as ever. They continue to pursue the same vision of a New Middle East', which could be why they are strategically distancing themselves from one another.
A lot of fuss has been made over the US' criticism of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Israel's concerns that the US is being soft' by negotiating with Iran, making it seem like the two allies are experiencing a falling out of sorts. That's not exactly true- it could well be that the relationship is purposely becoming more complex to dispel the stereotype of a master-puppet' interaction. This gives the US-Israeli alliance the face-saving plausible deniability needed to make major moves in the Mideast.
Smoke and Mirrors
There've been a couple incidents that have been overplayed to distract from the close nature of US-Israeli ties, the latest being the "chickenshit" controversy. An unnamed US official recently used that word to describe Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, which made international headlines and led to John Kerry issuing an apology. The US has also been vocal about its criticism of new Israeli settlements and its support of an eventual two-state solution. Combined with its refusal to succumb to Israeli pressure and bomb Iran, instead choosing to enter into nuclear talks, some in the Israeli establishment have been quick to lambast Washington and question whether it still remains a loyal ally. But while the world wastes time wondering whether the US and Israel are in a lovers' spat, the two continue working closely together behind the scenes.
Palestine:
Despite American pressure against new Israeli settlements, the US has always supported Israel in every regional war it has fought, including against the Palestinians. In this manner, it doesn't matter if the US criticizes the building of houses so long as it turns a blind eye to the dropping of bombs, which is happening ever more frequently in recent years.
Iran:
The US' negotiations with Iran don't threaten Israel's security, they enhance it, since it's more efficient for the two to metaphorically disarm Tehran via talks than through tanks. Any US-Israeli subterfuge wouldn't succeed if they presented a united front in supporting the talks, so a strategic and public break was needed to remove Iran's suspicions. If the country lets its guard down against the US and the West, while remaining distrustful of Israel, the primary objective is still served, since the former two will destabilize Iran one way or another on behalf of the latter.
Even if hostilities were to emerge, Israel's nuclear monopoly (never criticized, let alone officially acknowledged, by the US), potent Air Force (ranked among the world's best), and US-supported Missile Defense Shield guarantee that it can more than hold its own. There's no fear of Iran nuking Israel either, since suspected US-Israeli collaboration over the Stuxnet and Duqu viruses, and the assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists, meant that Iran's nuclear program would remain peaceful even if it wasn't intended to be.
Regional Leaders
Looking further afield, the US and Israel are working hand in glove to bring about what Condoleezza Rice referred to in 2006 as the New Middle East', announced when Israel was at war in Lebanon. As a perfect example, they both support regime change in Syria and have carried out strikes in the country (Israel against the Syrian government, the US against ISIL). Israel has also made diplomatic gains in the past few years, since it's now in a strategic alliance with aspiring hegemon Saudi Arabia, ostensibly over the non-existent Iranian threat (and Washington's purposeful soft' policies) that finally brought together the US' two main allies. Thus, the powerful American-Israeli-Saudi axis was born.
The Illusion Explained
The US and Israel justify their relationship with different reasons. America originally saw Israel as a geostrategic culturally, politically, and religiously similar foothold in an energy-rich area, thinking that this would make it a more dependent long-term ally than any Arab state. It also harbored ambitions to build Israel up into a regional sheriff' that would enforce the US' will by proxy. And of course, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC lobbying group also extended enormous influence over American policy and has continually served as Israel's real ambassadorial organization in the US.
Likewise, the Israelis see in the Americans a powerful big brother' that can come to their aid when needed, understanding that the US has concrete self-interests of its own to support it. It was also one of the superpowers during the Cold War and served as a counterweight to Soviet support for the Arab states. America's wealth makes it a convenient ally to have, and by being the largest recipient of US foreign aid, Israel certainly feels the benefits of this largesse. Last but not least, the alliance with the US gives Israel the relative carte blanche to conduct is affairs as it sees fit, knowing that if push comes to show, the strongest military in the world would back it up in a conflict.
Don't Believe The Hype
The story of one or another country's deteriorating relations with Israel is an overhyped magic show that shouldn't be believed, since it's happened before with both Turkey and the EU. In the case of Turkey, it notoriously started its anti-Israel charade at the Davos Forum in 2009, when Erodgan confronted Peres for excessive violence in Gaza and said that Israel was becoming a "rogue state". This was followed by the 2010 Gaza Freedom Flotilla incident, and both events catapulted Erdogan to fame in the Muslim world for his supposedly tough stand against Israel. Well, other than words, this wasn't the case at all. Israel receives around 40% of its oil from Azerbaijan, transiting through Turkey in the process, not to mention its new contracts with Kurdistan. If Erdogan was serious in opposing Israel, he would pull a Ukraine' and blackmail his enemy', which he's not even thinking about doing. On top of that, RT reported that Israel launched a strike on Syria from Turkish territory in July 2013 (which it expectedly denies), showing that the two are still so close that they coordinate their regional plans. Clearly, no break in ties ever really took place.
The EU is also hyped up as turning its back on Israel, but this isn't the case either. Spain's symbolic recognition of Palestine and the future French vote on it don't really mean anything since they aren't affecting government policy. There's also the question of exactly which Palestinian borders they would recognize and whether these would conflict with other European states' possible recognition. Also, these measures are initiated by the socialists in those states and could be reversed if right-wing politicians one day replace them. Just as some countries backtrack on their recognition of Taiwan when administrations change, the EU states could do the same for Palestine. Importantly, talk of the EU sanctioning Israel is just that talk. If the group would accede to American pressure to counter-productively sanction Russia (with which it has extensive economic and energy relations), then it's a no-brainer that it would also follow the US' lead if it advises them to not do so for Israel, whose economic ties are negligible compared to Russia's. If for whatever reason it does enact symbolic sanctions, this is all just for show and done with the US' silent blessing (contrary to its public outcry) to make a fake show of distancing the EU from Israel.
The thing is, the further apart the US and friends seem to get from Israel, the closer they really are. It's just that they're using smoke and mirrors to obscure their policy coordination. It's when relations misleadingly seem at the breaking point that they're really experiencing their renaissance, and that's when the rest of the Mideast should worry most.



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20141119...z3VEY5lJkV
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#5
Good cop, bad cop... as a psych out for Iran?

Iran does seem to be a major player behind Shiite rebel groups. I would think that exposing Iran's connections to Shiite rebel groups would be the sort of idealogical threat the Iranians couldn't afford to ignore. Who exactly is arming/funding these guys?
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