Just when did the hijacker(s) of Flight 11 reach the cockpit?

[Martin White]

Ok, so potentially not the most credible of sources, but I was watching one of the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory programmes. This one was about 9/11.

To give you the short version they presented a witness who said that he had personally seen one of the flight recorders at GZ, and that he heard that at least two more were recovered.

In addition, this witness said that senior American Airlines employees had listened to the CVR of flight 11, and that one of the hijackers was actually in the cockpit before the plane left the ground!

This last point is especially striking. I have not heard any mention of this before. Is it corroborated anywhere else?

[Peter Lemkin]

Ok, so potentially not the most credible of sources, but I was watching one of the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory programmes. This one was about 9/11.

To give you the short version they presented a witness who said that he had personally seen one of the flight recorders at GZ, and that he heard that at least two more were recovered.

In addition, this witness said that senior American Airlines employees had listened to the CVR of flight 11, and that one of the hijackers was actually in the cockpit before the plane left the ground!

This last point is especially striking. I have not heard any mention of this before. Is it corroborated anywhere else?

If one looks at the serious literature/research on 9-11-01 there are multiple accounts by reliable witnesses of recovery of flight recorders [though 'officially' there are none]. I've never heard that any AA employees listened to them - and personally doubt this. They were top-secret and no one who would ever talk ever heard them, IMHO. I have also never heard of any RELIABLE reports of 'hijackers' being in the cockpit before or during flights. I believe that the 'hijacker' was electronic homing/unassisted flight control of the planes - no humans involved - or no humans having control [maybe trying to gain back control...but don't even know if there were that]. The 'foreign hijackers' is a propaganda false-flag line - they were 'ours' - trained and paid by US mil-intel or our foreign allies - and were patsies likely told they were doing a mock hijack scenario IF [and that is a big IF] they were EVEN on board any of the planes - no wonder none of the bodies or DNA are listed and many were alive and well after the event.......

[Martin White]

Thanks Peter. I have always been suspicious that Flight 77 was not controlled by a human - well certainly not the alleged hijacker anyway - and I remain unconvinced that it ever even hit the Pentagon.

It is utterly inconceivable that no trace of the four flight recorders were found at GZ. It would have been more plausible to have said "we found them but they were burnt/damaged beyond use".

[Anthony Thorne]

The 'foreign hijackers' is a propaganda false-flag line - they were 'ours' - trained and paid by US mil-intel or our foreign allies - and were patsies likely told they were doing a mock hijack scenario IF [and that is a big IF] they were EVEN on board any of the planes

Researcher Elias Davidsson devotes his entire book, discussed below, to the question of what happened on the flights, and his thesis matches Peter's comment above. There is a great detail of information and analysis in the book that I haven't seen covered in as much depth anywhere else. Davidsson argues that it wasn't just the patsies who were told they were involved in a mock hijacking - he makes the strongest case I've read yet that certain crew members and passengers were told the same thing.

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...Zui5l49LjA

[Peter Lemkin]

The 'foreign hijackers' is a propaganda false-flag line - they were 'ours' - trained and paid by US mil-intel or our foreign allies - and were patsies likely told they were doing a mock hijack scenario IF [and that is a big IF] they were EVEN on board any of the planes

Researcher Elias Davidsson devotes his entire book, discussed below, to the question of what happened on the flights, and his thesis matches Peter's comment above. There is a great detail of information and analysis in the book that I haven't seen covered in as much depth anywhere else. Davidsson argues that it wasn't just the patsies who were told they were involved in a mock hijacking - he makes the strongest case I've read yet that certain crew members and passengers were told the same thing.

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/sho...Zui5l49LjA

There is yet one more potential complicating step [somewhat controversial, but LEAST controversial on the flight that hit the Pentagon!] that the planes were switched - i.e. the plans so named and those that 'crashed' were not the same and that their radar tracks had been switched for other craft mid-way. There is some evidence of this for the others, but as there is little positive and a lot of negative evidence that any large passenger jet hit the Pentagon [and further that there were one or two large planes that veered and flew OVER and then away from the Pentagon]. The initial hole, depth of the penetration, lack of willingness of authorities to release photos, lack of wreckage and other evidence seem to point to the Pentagon being hit by a missile - likely of the bunker-buster type [depleted Uranium nose]. So, if a plane 'started out' as that plane, it too was switched. Switching the planes is easy - child's play - what it a bit tricky is what to do with the passengers IF they were on the originating flight...and various scenarios have been discussed that I won't go into here.

Think about just a few things....the illogical supposed flight to Boston by Atta - and his leaving all the incriminating evidence in the rental car; the image we see of Atta 'boarding a flight' is NOT the flight that supposedly hit anything, but that connecting flight that well could have been late and spoiled the day; the faked calls from planes; no plane hitting Pentagon; no 'let's roll' heroic moves by passengers in PA - but a shoot-down; the 'salted' ID's/passports of attackers yet they don't appear listed among the dead - even as DNA; the many alive attackers after the day [about half of them show evidence of being alive after]; the strange movements of the flights and sudden turns in direction made at nodes between radar - the point where a switch would be hardest to determine and most easily made; the reports [s!] of a passenger plane of the same airline and number landing in Cincinnati, with all aboard deplanned at a distance from the terminal and driven away to who-knows-where. Much evidence of the planes being flown into the WTC towers under radio control and all planes being flown at a level way above the flying skills of anyone - perhaps even a professional air force pilot unless they had practiced and wanted to commit suicide....and it goes on..... The 'official' scenario is, to me, entirely false. Lastly, why are they refusing to give the parts numbers of recovered wreckage - it would confirm or deny if the planes were the alleged planes. Lastly, one of the planes that supposedly hit the WTC was still on the 'books' as in existence long after 9-11 and this the 'officials' have never explained - not even tried to. The exact manner is still not nailed down, but the official scenairio is certainly not the way things happened with the planes or at the attack points. It was a 'magic show'...and what you 'saw' or were told you saw was NOT what really happened. Throw in disaster actors at the WTC, the removal of evidence, the salting of fake wreckage at the Pentagon.....one can go one and on...read the books on the list of books we made of better 911 books or see the better films! It was a day of terror combined with the Anthrax attacks to bring in the unPatriot Act and a giant leap of the USA to a police state in a permanent war of terror......

[Tracy Riddle]

Given that something melted thousands of steel file cabinets in those offices, so that only one was (partially) recognizable and recovered, and that fires kept burning for many weeks in the pit, it wouldn't be surprising that the flight recorders (if there were any) were consumed too. Some kind of high-tech explosives were used to bring down those buildings, which explains a lot of things that were otherwise impossible that day.

[Magda Hassan]

Given that something melted thousands of steel file cabinets in those offices, so that only one was (partially) recognizable and recovered, and that fires kept burning for many weeks in the pit, it wouldn't be surprising that the flight recorders (if there were any) were consumed too. Some kind of high-tech explosives were used to bring down those buildings, which explains a lot of things that were otherwise impossible that day.

Yet paper passports survived the infernos...

[Peter Lemkin]

Given that something melted thousands of steel file cabinets in those offices, so that only one was (partially) recognizable and recovered, and that fires kept burning for many weeks in the pit, it wouldn't be surprising that the flight recorders (if there were any) were consumed too. Some kind of high-tech explosives were used to bring down those buildings, which explains a lot of things that were otherwise impossible that day.

Yet paper passports survived the infernos...

ONLY 'ID's' of the 'bad guys'...none of the innocents had their wallets, pocketbooks, identifications of any kind preserved......many only had bits of unrecognizable flesh to get DNA from...interestingly NO DNA from any of the 'hijackers' nor any parts of their bodies were found. There is a BIG question as to if any DNA from supposed passengers on flights were found in the wreckage anywhere...another bit of strangeness along with the refusal to give the part numbers for components of the planes 'involved', as some numbered parts were found and this would tell if those planes did or did not hit the targets...now why would they want to hide that.....certainly not for privacy reasons.....more likely 'national security' [sic] reasons.....

....by the way...happy [sic] 7/7! For an absolutely brilliant taking apart of the official story [myth] watch the fantastic updated version of the Ripple Effect (2)!

[Tracy Riddle]

....by the way...happy [sic] 7/7! For an absolutely brilliant taking apart of the official story [myth] watch the fantastic updated version of the Ripple Effect (2)!

I see the UK is having all kinds of commemorations and ceremonies today, all designed to emotionally manipulate people and reinforce the official story.

[Peter Lemkin]

....by the way...happy [sic] 7/7! For an absolutely brilliant taking apart of the official story [myth] watch the fantastic updated version of the Ripple Effect (2)!

I see the UK is having all kinds of commemorations and ceremonies today, all designed to emotionally manipulate people and reinforce the official story.

Not just the British media [but yes, they, in lockstep], I found it almost impossible to find a standard 'media' outlet anywhere that didn't tell the event according to the official version. You have to look on small websites to find a different view and something much closer to the truth. Sad.....1984's Big Brother monitor watching everyone and telling everyone the false 'news' and 'history' really has come to pass.

Personally, I find that because the event in London was smaller it is easier to understand and dissect. The film I mentioned above is methodical in eviscerating the official version. I never get enough of Peter Powers telling that there was a mock terrorist attack he was running that day - at the same tube stations and including one bus - and that it was 'quite the coincidence'...... yes, Peter, QUITE!