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Castro's speech Nov 23rd 1963 post assassination speech. Cannot find original. Please help!
#1
Did it really happen?
I am looking for the original source for this speech. I know of E. Martin Schotz book 'History Will Not Absolve Us' where it is quoted in full. Others such as Douglass also quote this reference. But I cannot find any evidence from any Cuban source (and believe me they love to document Castro's speeches) or from any of the various databases of Castro's speeches and writings as well as the UN speech data base. The English translation was supposed to have been lodged by Cuba at the UN. I know the transcript was supposed to be from a tv broadcast and the text is what was supposed to be lodged in English by Cuba but I cannot find any record of it on any UN databases. Not sure of Cuban tv recording archives. Seems patchy and I can't find any record of this one. For sure the US and others would be wanting to know Castro's statements on the event and would have recorded it. It is a good speech and does sound like some thing Castro would say. Can any one give me the original source please? Spanish or English.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNA...dixII.html
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#2
Good question. I've had a quick dig but haven't been able to find anything yet. This is a good resource:

http://lanic.utexas.edu/la/cb/cuba/castro.html

But weirdly there is nothing listed after August in '63.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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#3
Yes, I checked there. It is quite comprehensive but as you say doesn't cover the time period. I also checked several other universities with extensive Latin American departments, marxists.org, Granma, other Cuban government websites. Nada. The UN GA only has one speech all 1963 by Cuba and that was in October.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#4
Looks like the only way to resolve this might be by asking Schotz himself.

I found a reference to a Castro speech on November 24th in this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/14696...1_1&sr=8-1

...but the pages were no longer available on Google Books after I posted the link.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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#5
Peter Kornbluh and the George Washington Nat Sec Archives might be a good place to search and ask. I forgot about them. Tomorrow for me though. And I was thinking it might be useful to ask Schotz where he got the speech from also.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#6
R.K. Locke Wrote:Looks like the only way to resolve this might be by asking Schotz himself.

I found a reference to a Castro speech on November 24th in this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/14696...1_1&sr=8-1

...but the pages were no longer available on Google Books after I posted the link.


I asked Marty many years ago if he would scan that speech so it could be online for all to read. I guess it was before most had scanners.
Yes the speech absolutely occurred. But I have never seen it online. It's LONG. And many parts are priceless.
Castro was so aware of the true events. JFK JR. interviewed Castro. Imagine that conversation.

Dawn
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#7
Are you talking about this?
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNA...dixII.html
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#8
O. Austrud Wrote:Are you talking about this?
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNA...dixII.html


YES!!!!! Thank you so much. Here is one very important excerpt:

It says the third editor to express his opinion, Carbo, who is director of the Executive Council of the Inter-American Press Association which is a very important job in the intellectual sectors of reaction and the oligarchy emphasized that there were not strong statements in favor of the liberation of Cuba like the statements that had been made in previous speeches by President Kennedy, especially in the one he made after the heroic battle of Playa Giron that "heroic battle" where every one of them ended defeated and imprisoned forecasting the crisis of the communist regime of Cuba. He claims in "Cuba the situation of the government verges on the insoluble, economically, politically and internationally since Castro is no longer reliable, not even to Russia."


But most important of all is how the statement made by this gentleman who holds an important post in reactionary intellectual circles in the United States and abroad as Director of the Executive Council of the Inter-American Press Association, how his statement ends and this is what drew my attention. The editor of the confiscated Havana newspaper ended by saying: "I believe a coming serious event will oblige Washington to change its policy of peaceful co-existence." What does this mean? What did this gentleman mean when he said this three days before the assassination of Kennedy? What did this gentleman who holds an utmost post in the ultra-reactionary intellectual circles in and outside of the United States, the Director of the Executive Council of the Inter-American Press Association, mean in a cable that is not from Prensa Latina, but from Associated Press, dated November 19th AP Num, 254, AP November 19th, Miami Beach when he said: "I believe that a coming serious event will oblige Washington to change its policy of peaceful co-existence?"


What does this mean, three days before the murder of President Kennedy? Because when I read this cable it caught my attention, it intrigued me, it seemed strange to me. Was there perhaps some sort of understanding? Was there perhaps some sort of thought about this? Was there perhaps some kind of plot? Was there perhaps in those reactionary circles where the so-called weak policy of Kennedy toward Cuba was under attack, where the policy of ending nuclear threat was under attack, where the policy of civil rights was under attack. . . . Was there perhaps in certain civilian and military ultra-reactionary circles in the United States, a plot against President Kennedy's life?


Castro knew then and he knows now. Amazing speech.
Dawn
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#9
No. You don't understand. I also linked that speech in my original post. You can find Schotz's copy all over the internet. What I am looking for is the ORIGINAL. The primary source. The one that first came to the attention of Schotz. Which doesn't seem to exist. There is no broadcast by Castro recorded. There is no speech in the Cuban, UN and other archives where it should be.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#10
Dawn, if you are still in contact with Marty would you ask him where he found this speech?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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