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Eyes Wide Shut and 9/11
#41
And Keith, you said:

Quote:Okay,when I first read this,I was only thinking in the sense of "political" or "financial" power,etc.Now I view this quote to be as in, "occult" power.

And the unsettling issue at least for me is whether political, financial power is derived from secret societies who are bound together by occult practices.:Confusedhock:: Furthermore, can it be said that power of the elite derives from a kind of possession by the Unspeakable?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#42
Lauren Johnson Wrote:And Keith, you said:

Quote:Okay,when I first read this,I was only thinking in the sense of "political" or "financial" power,etc.Now I view this quote to be as in, "occult" power.

And the unsettling issue at least for me is whether political, financial power is derived from secret societies who are bound together by occult practices.:Confusedhock:: Furthermore, can it be said that power of the elite derives from a kind of possession by the Unspeakable?

Ahh,yes a rabbit hole....Jump right in.::wabbits::
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
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#43
RKL at#26 invites us to look at Militant Masonry. For me, the most intriguing is the development to hide organizational intent and cohesiveness within other organizational structures. The author describes how revolutionary cadres were hidden within Masonic lodges.

Quote:The budding revolutionaries during the subsequent centuries marveled at the ingeniousness, almost military precision of such a stratagem. They must have; for it was replicated, implemented, and tinkered with endlessly. The beauty of such a system is the simplicity and rate with which it could be expanded, all the while maintaining a protective buffer for those "unknown superiors" at the top. Additionally, those at the same level had no way of contacting, or even knowing that the others existedboth a cellular and pyramidal structure.

In this way the Masons could be used as a hiding place and as a source of recruitment. With regard to the Illuminati, they survived by infiltrating other organizations and ultimately bending and shaping the host to its purposes.

With regard to the elites of EWS, their existence and purposes must remain hidden, which can only happen by the infiltration of sleeper moles in key positions within society.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#44
Keith Millea Wrote:
Lauren Johnson Wrote:And Keith, you said:

Quote:Okay,when I first read this,I was only thinking in the sense of "political" or "financial" power,etc.Now I view this quote to be as in, "occult" power.

And the unsettling issue at least for me is whether political, financial power is derived from secret societies who are bound together by occult practices.:Confusedhock:: Furthermore, can it be said that power of the elite derives from a kind of possession by the Unspeakable?

Ahh,yes a rabbit hole....Jump right in.::wabbits::

While there are different kinds of power - IMHO Power is Power!..... and that is what Kubrick was warning of...any kind.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#45
Dawn Meredith Wrote:David About 20 years ago I came across a book by a guy in Ariz named Ralph Epperson called The New World Order. I have not read it again in as many years but his book reaches those same conclusions. Very detailed. Not very well written but great material. He and I are facebook friends now. Book is definitely worth obtaining in my opinion.

Dawn

Dawn, I read his book THE UNSEEN HAND (1985), which I still have. While he obviously writes from a conservative Christian perspective, I thought there was a lot of interesting information in it.
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#46
Tracy Riddle Wrote:
Dawn Meredith Wrote:David About 20 years ago I came across a book by a guy in Ariz named Ralph Epperson called The New World Order. I have not read it again in as many years but his book reaches those same conclusions. Very detailed. Not very well written but great material. He and I are facebook friends now. Book is definitely worth obtaining in my opinion.

Dawn

Dawn, I read his book THE UNSEEN HAND (1985), which I still have. While he obviously writes from a conservative Christian perspective, I thought there was a lot of interesting

. information in it.

He just urges me on fb to read that book. Probably will not. My reading list is too long already.

Dawn
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#47
Peter Lemkin Wrote:I think very few people have viewed his last film...it is a bit obscure and a 'disappointment' for anyone hoping to see a continuation or even something along the lines of 2001 - or any of his earlier films.

Plenty of people saw the film on original release; the casting of Cruise/Kidman and the director's untimely death created a huge amount of publicity, it also has a significant following both within and outside the wider Kubrick 'fanbase'. As to where it sits alongside the rest of his work; themes of dehumanization, mind control and the abuse of power by ruling elites are common in his works from Paths of Glory onwards. Even something like Barry Lyndon (ostensibly a costume drama) is really the story of a lower-class upstart who pays the price for attempted social mobility. Also, something that often gets overlooked with Eyes Wide Shut in this kind of analysis, are it's literary roots in Arthur Schnitzler's novella Traumnovelle which, despite being set in 19th century Vienna, the film is a fairly faithful adaptation of. So the themes and symbols are not entirely Kubrick's own anyway.

David Guyatt Wrote:I have read that he had an iron clad contract with Warner Bros for full editorial control over EWS, and that Warner's had agreed not to edit or change it one iota under that contract. According to the piece I read, once he was dead this contract ended and Warner removed some unidentified scenes.

I don't know if this is some BS conspiracy theory put out or if it has some truth to it.

Kubrick had final cut on all of his films with Warner Brothers, so it was nothing unusual. In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, some of the shots during the orgy sequence were digitally obscured for the original U.S release (simply to avoid a commercially damaging NC-17 rating), this version is no longer the one in circulation and was never released internationally.
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#48
Matthew Hewitt Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:I think very few people have viewed his last film...it is a bit obscure and a 'disappointment' for anyone hoping to see a continuation or even something along the lines of 2001 - or any of his earlier films.

Plenty of people saw the film on original release; the casting of Cruise/Kidman and the director's untimely death created a huge amount of publicity, it also has a significant following both within and outside the wider Kubrick 'fanbase'. As to where it sits alongside the rest of his work; themes of dehumanization, mind control and the abuse of power by ruling elites are common in his works from Paths of Glory onwards. Even something like Barry Lyndon (ostensibly a costume drama) is really the story of a lower-class upstart who pays the price for attempted social mobility. Also, something that often gets overlooked with Eyes Wide Shut in this kind of analysis, are it's literary roots in Arthur Schnitzler's novella Traumnovelle which, despite being set in 19th century Vienna, the film is a fairly faithful adaptation of. So the themes and symbols are not entirely Kubrick's own anyway.

David Guyatt Wrote:I have read that he had an iron clad contract with Warner Bros for full editorial control over EWS, and that Warner's had agreed not to edit or change it one iota under that contract. According to the piece I read, once he was dead this contract ended and Warner removed some unidentified scenes.

I don't know if this is some BS conspiracy theory put out or if it has some truth to it.

Kubrick had final cut on all of his films with Warner Brothers, so it was nothing unusual. In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, some of the shots during the orgy sequence were digitally obscured for the original U.S release (simply to avoid a commercially damaging NC-17 rating), this version is no longer the one in circulation and was never released internationally.

Thanks for clearing that up Mathew. I have watched Eyes Wide Shut multiple times and still find it one of the most fascinating films around, and one that tells an important story on many levels.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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#49
Here is a posting on Eyes Wide Shut I wrote a few years ago on another blog.
Iv'e updated this material

Truth has not a chance to prevail in this era of EYES WIDE SHUT.
The time predicted in the occult classic Eyes Wide Shut by the late director Stanley Kubrick.

Many people speculate that Mr. Kubrick's untimely death after he made Eyes Wide Shut had to do with the content of the movie…. His displaying the occult sexual magic rituals of the elite rulers of the world. Some speculate this may have caused these occultists to have done in Mr. Kubrick. This just may be the case, but not for the reasons mentioned above: that being the elite having a serious problem with Kubrick revealing their sex secrets, but in fact Kubrick reveals something much more subtle, sinister and awful.

Indeed, what Kubrick was very esoterically informing us about was considerably more nuanced and underneath the theme of the movie, but interestingly, the very title of the movie gives us a huge hint of what he was revealing. To understand this point in context, though, one has to look at the history and themes of Kubrick's past movies and their relationship to the popular culture, that's the key here.

Starting with the 50's classic "The Killing" a gritty crime drama that captured the environment of the criminal element in modern society as Kubrick was so adept at doing in his realistic portrayals of life. This theme of crime continued in Kubrick's repertoire in another classic "A Clockwork Orange" done in 1971 16 years after "The Killing". Both drama's as noted emphasized crime in modern society, "The Killing," a tale about robbery and the criminal underground and Clockwork a more updated tale of not only crime but the kinds of crimes that are relative to the Charles Manson and spree and awful serial killers of our time, late 60's and early 70's.

The themes in these two movies seem to be portents by Kubrick of a coming era were such crime and types of crimes as in Clockwork and " The Killing" will be rampant and pervade American society( think about today's many mad killers rampant and the previous high crime era of traditional crime that has overflowed our modern prison system). Certainly such a criminal element was around at the time that Kubrick made these movies, but the degree certainly was not as extensive as it would become in later years…

Similarly, as in two other Kubrick classic's, "Dr Strangelove, in 1964, and "2001Space Odyssey," in1968, we have portents of the Star Wars, Star Trek syndrome in the case of 2001, and the macho "nuke em" mentality of a certain type of American patriot in Dr Strangelove which became more personified in the 80's Reagan era.

Indeed, notwithstanding the genius in Mr. Kubrick, we may have here a pattern of not only unique talent and insight, but if we look closely some kind of pre-knowledge or prescience of Kubrick that indicates he may have been tapped into some occult thought streamif not being a secret adept himselfdedicated to revealing to us through the popular entertainment vehicle of film, the plans that the elite have for molding society to their desires.

Now we return to the subject of "Eyes Wide Shut" which may have been Kubrick's swan song or his final clarion call to us about the plans of these secret elites. Indeed we know that openly the movie frames itself around the tale of a young yuppie middle class Doctor stumbling across the sexual magic rituals of the powerful elite, and their reaction to that in the extent they will go to in covering up their tracks, which includes murder. Also, as some commentator's have mentioned, there is a powerful theme of sex slavery brainwashing (ala' MK Ultra) in the drama as well.

http://www.konformist.com/flicks/eyeswideshut.htm

All of the above may certainly have some basis in reality. But the contention here is that if that be the case, such things are peripheral to the real dangerous message that underlies the movie and which may have caused Kubrick his life. Kubrick in this regard did a masterful job of diverting attention from the major hidden message of the movie with all the common man vs. the mysterious elite and the sex magic theme, but do we really think they would kill him over that? That's nothing new, secret or particularly ominous considering what we know of the elite today and what they know we know of them. So if we dismiss the obvious but yet still see something very ominous in the movie then I contend that Mr. Kubrick very brazenly put his message not only underneath the theme of the movie, but had the audacity to put the essence of the message in the title itself, EYES WIDE SHUT.

As a man who obviously in his movie career predicted and foretold of the coming sub-cultural thinking patterns of American society, here in EWS he may have went too far in this case! In portending rampant crime, the space age, the American patriot, those were more or less innocent or anticipated cultural phenomena, but in Kubrick predicting or revealing the era of Eyes Wide Shut…now that may have been going too far. For what Kubrick did was to tell us that in a few years the mass media in conjunction with the elite would begin the final strangulation or usurpation of the minds and hearts of this civilization by bringing in a period that can only be described as a new dark ages. Perhaps beginning in the horrors of 911, only two years after the film appeared, where practically the entire world would be blinded by the obvious satanic fraud wrought on the populace with the ridiculous spectacle of buildings disintegrating before everybody's eyes and being given no reasonable explanation why this happened but yet everyone through ignorance, media hype, and conditioning are told what to believe and what happened, and lo and behold, most have been hoodwinked: EYES WIDE SHUT

The era of EYES WIDE SHUT is simply put: a time when adult human beings will be told and shown blatant lies and absurdities that in ordinary times a child could see through.

The Iraq war, 911, Katrina, and many other instances that try the credulity of intelligent people.

Eyes Wide Shut

We see, but don't see


An addendum to this original essay which I published a few years ago, is that the very movie EWS has a theme of the twin(s) TWIN TOWERS element inside it on two vital points in the film: the beginning where Cruise is sashaying along the party floor with two sensual, statuesque beauties on his arms…twins if you may, one on his right side and one on his left, though not exactly twins, of course, but very close. And then more subtly in the scene where Cruise is present in the Rainbow costume store where he is getting his cloak (to be able to attend the elite sex party) and all of a sudden again TWINS: JAPANESE TWINS, in fact, little guys, almost midget size (Kubrick couldn't bring himself to make them tall and really give away the message, think JAPANESE TWINS (TWIN TOWERS) PNAC NEW PEARL HARBOR911!) are in the mix having elicit sex with the proprietors daughter!

No folks, imho, this is much deeper than Hellfire club sex parties of the elite.

Think about this. All the Masonic, mystery, elite sexuality is hardly new and many books have been written by astute occultists on this very topic and in-fact much deeper indeed.

So if there were any problem in this very sinister movie it in my view had to reach to a kind of deeper dynamic depth dealing with manipulation and that greatest of aphrodisiac...Power.
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#50
James Corbett and Jay Dyer discussing The Prestige - another film with esoteric subtexts that can be applied to 9/11:


“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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