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Heads Up!
I thought you might actually listen to me.
"All that is necessary for tyranny to succeed is for good men to do nothing." (unknown)

James Tracy: "There is sometimes an undue amount of paranoia among some conspiracy researchers that can contribute to flawed observations and analysis."

Gary Cornwell (Dept. Chief Counsel HSCA): "A fact merely marks the point at which we have agreed to let investigation cease."

Alan Ford: "Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it so."
Drew:


Those who are evading the evidence are using board politics to do so.


Just stick to the facts. Put pressure on the people who are evading the arguments - not the victim. What you are doing there is folly.


By the way Drew, what else would be illuminating Prayer Man's arm but sunlight?
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Don Cook's position is the same as Prayer Man's, no if and buts about it. Both their right elbows align upon the same pillar, which is well forward of that tight, restrictive 3 foot landing...here let's take another look ---->

[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8218&stc=1]

right elbow aligned w/same pillar as Prayer Man (that pillar is well forward of the following picture of the tight, restrictive landing in the foreground here ---->

[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8219&stc=1]

In Mr. Cook's case, we actually are able to see at least one of his feet firmly established down upon the step below the landing where Mr. Frazier was standing (that's not an opinion, it's right there within the image).

Furthermore when we add this image ---->

[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8220&stc=1]

where we take into account all seven total steps, we even see that Mr. Cook's right elbow and lower foot aligns with that of Prayer Man. Also of special consideration look at the hand railing itself (please note it fastens at the bottom upon the first step up and then fastens on the last step before that tight, restrictive landing above). In addition, when we actually take an even closer examination of precisely where Mr. Cook's right foot is positioned, it's clear that it is before the railing ends a full step upwards.

When we take into consideration Mr. Cook's position (his right elbow, his distance far forward of that tight, restrictive landing where Mr. Frazier stood, it's not frivolous to see and/or believe, given Mr. Oswald's own right elbow alignment and forward position, he shares Mr. Cook's position with only one major difference: Mr. Cook is actually leaning toward the entrance, resting his weight upon one knee, while Mr. Oswald choose to support his weight by simply leaning back upon the pillar they share. Both men, however, are below the last step where the white railing ends (please look again at Mr. Cook's right elbow, and especially his right foot...it's below and before the white hand railing ends.

Now, I suspect, there will be some, well, why beat around the bush, there will be one individual with certainty who will care not to see what's clearly in front of him, but attribute Mr. Cook's right elbow position and Prayer Man's right elbow position no where near the forward pillar as is the case. No great surprise if he also ignores where Mr. Cook's right foot rests either (that doesn't bode well for his opinion, thus it's something not to consider, however true the image display as much).

An innocent man was framed. That same man--even before the public knew about his airtight alibi--told anyone willing to listen precisely where he was. His airtight alibi was hidden from public view/consumption for decades. Why? That same man is the only, TSBD employee--male or female--not accounted for in Warren Commission Exhibit 1381. He is "not a stranger". It's way past time to shove this horse manure in the name of "national security" right where it belongs (not a continued assault upon the intelligence of the People, but right back at the lying treasonous cowards peddling it).

An objective Q & A about Prayer Man is just a click away -----> http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/prayer-man-faq

*Credit photo images above to Prayer-Man website, Mr. Hocking (Richard), the Warren Commission exhibit


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Alan Ford Wrote:There's an obvious 45 degree angle differential between Prayer Man and Mr. Frazier (there is an obvious reason for that, Prayer Man is standing well forward of Mr. Frazier's position). Thus, they are not on the same measuring plane.



This isn't correct for the reasons I previously cited. However I don't think Alan realizes this only illustrates his lack of grasp of the technical evidence. If Prayer Man was forward of Frazier like he is claiming any alleged perspective distortion would make Prayer Man taller since he would be closer. Since this would only skew the visible height difference in my favor by making the real measurement of Prayer Man shorter in comparison to the taller Frazier behind him I don't think Alan realizes he hasn't answered the evidence or arguments nor does he have any working grasp of what he is posting. The so-called technical experts who are above answering this did not correct Alan.

But this is all moot since we have provided adequate arguments that Darnell's lens type can probably be found out. As both Drew and myself pointed out the Darnell photo is the best indicator of the perspective quality of Darnell's lens. There does not appear to be any invalidating focal point setting on Darnell's lens since we can plainly see depth separation between persons in the photo. Also, a news camera man would set his lens at a normal news footage setting that would not utilize any unusual perspective.
Alan Ford Wrote:Don Cook's position is the same as Prayer Man's, no if and buts about it. Both their right elbows align upon the same pillar, which is well forward of that tight, restrictive 3 foot landing...here let's take another look ---->



And they accused me of offering the Cinque input.


If Alan were wiser he would realize this invalid comparison violates all of the points Cross and Josephs made that he agreed to.


It's a completely invalid comparison that references a completely different camera at a completely different distance from a completely different angle. The opposers would be the first to argue this if they were honestly discussing it. It is being used by Alan to avoid directly discussing his detailed failures in the discussion of the actual Darnell photo that is the subject of the discussion.


I pointed out to Alan that he was misreferencing the pillar. He ignored it and not only is he misreferencing it again, but he is doing it in a silly invalid analogy.
Albert Doyle Wrote:
Alan Ford Wrote:There's an obvious 45 degree angle differential between Prayer Man and Mr. Frazier (there is an obvious reason for that, Prayer Man is standing well forward of Mr. Frazier's position). Thus, they are not on the same measuring plane.



This isn't correct for the reasons I previously cited. However I don't think Alan realizes this only illustrates his lack of grasp of the technical evidence. If Prayer Man was forward of Frazier like he is claiming any alleged perspective distortion would make Prayer Man taller since he would be closer. Since this would only skew the visible height difference in my favor by making the real measurement of Prayer Man shorter in comparison to the taller Frazier behind him I don't think Alan realizes he hasn't answered the evidence or arguments nor does he have any working grasp of what he is posting. The so-called technical experts who are above answering this did not correct Alan.

But this is all moot since we have provided adequate arguments that Darnell's lens type can probably be found out. As both Drew and myself pointed out the Darnell photo is the best indicator of the perspective quality of Darnell's lens. There does not appear to be any invalidating focal point setting on Darnell's lens since we can plainly see depth separation between persons in the photo. Also, a news camera man would set his lens at a normal news footage setting that would not utilize any unusual perspective.

On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, the object closest to the camera appears taller (Mr. Darnell wasn't filming backwards with the wrongfully accused closer to him, his filming panned from your right to left, Mr. Frazier to Mr. Oswald and beyond). Just curious, Which is taller a person taking a selfie far away from the Empire State Building yonder in the distance or just outside its entrance doors?

Any honest thoughts on Mr. Cook's right elbow alignment, his feet, the exact same pillar position as the wrongfully accused? The location where the white rail handle ends, etc?
Alan Ford Wrote:On the contrary, Mr. Doyle, the object closest to the camera appears taller (Mr. Darnell wasn't filming backwards with the wrongfully accused closer to him, his filming panned from your right to left, Mr. Frazier to Mr. Oswald and beyond). Just curious, Which is taller a person taking a selfie far away from the Empire State Building or just outside its entrance doors?

Any honest thoughts on Mr. Cook's right elbow alignment, his feet, the exact same pillar position as the wrongfully accused?



Except, Mr Ford, that there's no "contrary" about it. If you bothered to read what I said accurately you would see that is what I was saying. You apparently have comprehension problems because it was me who was pointing out that YOU failed to realize the internal flaw in your statement. Not only do you get your science wrong but then you get your explanation of it confused too. If you bothered to interpret this correctly it was actually you who failed to comprehend that what you posted works in my favor. Like you are confirming above, if Prayer Man was well forward of Frazier any alleged perspective distortion would work in my favor. Like you said, it would make him appear taller, which would only increase the difference in height between him and the taller Frazier, who, by your own perspective claims, would be shorter. Any alleged perspective distortion would work in my favor in that configuration and only exaggerate the height difference.

You really don't get this do you Alan?



Quote:(Mr. Darnell wasn't filming backwards with the wrongfully accused closer to him, his filming panned from your right to left, Mr. Frazier to Mr. Oswald and beyond)



This statement shows you don't have a competent grasp of the evidence. All that matters here is your claim that Prayer Man is well forward of Frazier at a 45 degree angle in the Darnell frame.
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Don Cook's position is the same as Prayer Man's, no if and buts about it. Both their right elbows align upon the same pillar, which is well forward of that tight, restrictive 3 foot landing...here let's take another look ---->

[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8218&stc=1]

right elbow aligned w/same pillar as Prayer Man (that pillar is well forward of the following picture of the tight, restrictive landing in the foreground here ---->

[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8219&stc=1]

In Mr. Cook's case, we actually are able to see at least one of his feet firmly established down upon the step below the landing where Mr. Frazier was standing (that's not an opinion, it's right there within the image).

Furthermore when we add this image ---->

[Image: attachment.php?attachmentid=8220&stc=1]

where we take into account all seven total steps, we even see that Mr. Cook's right elbow and lower foot aligns with that of Prayer Man. Also of special consideration look at the hand railing itself (please note it fastens at the bottom upon the first step up and then fastens on the last step before that tight, restrictive landing above). In addition, when we actually take an even closer examination of precisely where Mr. Cook's right foot is positioned, it's clear that it is before the railing ends a full step upwards.

When we take into consideration Mr. Cook's position (his right elbow, his distance far forward of that tight, restrictive landing where Mr. Frazier stood, it's not frivolous to see and/or believe, given Mr. Oswald's own right elbow alignment and forward position, he shares Mr. Cook's position with only one major difference: Mr. Cook is actually leaning toward the entrance, resting his weight upon one knee, while Mr. Oswald choose to support his weight by simply leaning back upon the pillar they share. Both men, however, are below the last step where the white railing ends (please look again at Mr. Cook's right elbow, and especially his right foot...it's below and before the white hand railing ends.

Now, I suspect, there will be some, well, why beat around the bush, there will be one individual with certainty who will care not to see what's clearly in front of him, but attribute Mr. Cook's right elbow position and Prayer Man's right elbow position no where near the forward pillar as is the case. No great surprise if he also ignores where Mr. Cook's right foot rests either (that doesn't bode well for his opinion, thus it's something not to consider, however true the image display as much).

An innocent man was framed. That same man--even before the public knew about his airtight alibi--told anyone willing to listen precisely where he was. His airtight alibi was hidden from public view/consumption for decades. Why? That same man is the only, TSBD employee--male or female--not accounted for in Warren Commission Exhibit 1381. He is "not a stranger". It's way past time to shove this horse manure in the name of "national security" right where it belongs (not a continued assault upon the intelligence of the People, but right back at the lying treasonous cowards peddling it).

An objective Q & A about Prayer Man is just a click away -----> http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/prayer-man-faq

*Credit photo images above to Prayer-Man website, Mr. Hocking (Richard), the Warren Commission exhibit
Looking at this next photo image honestly ----->

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*Credit Prayer-Man website

Does anyone really think the lady donned in black (4th step up) just ahead of the lady in white (3 steps up), with her head at the mid-section of Mr. Oswald is 7'4" tall?, enabling her to reach his mid-section as IF he's way up there in the back shadows w/Mr. Frazier?

The reason why her head reaches his mid-section there is because he is close to her, not far away standing up in the shadows with Mr. Frazier.


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