Orlando, Fla. (home of giant theme parks) has 2 high profile murders in under 24 hours

[Albert Doyle]

Here's the offending weapon.


This guy knew what he was doing. The collapsibility and firing qualities of this weapon over the AR-15 made it perfect for the situation:


http://www.sigevolution.com/sigmcx

[David Guyatt]

That explains it then, Albert and Peter.

[David Guyatt]

deleted.

[Peter Lemkin]

Things certainly are getting strange. The owner of the Pulse says the shooter was NOT a regular...while many patrons said he was and recognized him often there.

Now, his wife is about to be indicted....

Orlando shooting: Omar Mateen's wife could be charged

Noor Salman, Omar Mateen's wife, had "some knowledge" of husband's plan to carry out massacre at gay club, reports say.


At least 49 people were killed at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando [Jim Young/Reuters]The wife of the gunman who killed 49 people at an Orlando gay nightclub knew of his plans for the attack and could soon be charged in connection with the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history, a law enforcement source said.
The source told the Reuters news agency on Tuesday that a federal grand jury had been convened and could charge Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Salman, as early as Wednesday.
"It appears she had some knowledge of what was going on," said US Senator Angus King, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, which received a briefing on the attack on Tuesday.
"She definitely is, I guess you would say, a person of interest right now and appears to be cooperating and can provide us with some important information," King told CNN.
Mateen, who was shot dead by police after a three-hour standoff at the Pulse club early on Sunday, called 911 during his shooting spree to profess allegiance to various groups.
Federal investigators have said that he was probably "self-radicalised" and there was no evidence that he received any instruction or aid from outside groups such as Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, also known as ISIS).
'Angry, disturbed, unstable'

Mateen, 29, was a US citizen, born in New York.
"He appears to have been an angry, disturbed, unstable young man who became radicalised," President Barack Obama told reporters after a meeting of the White House National Security Council.
During his rampage, Mateen systematically made his way through the packed club shooting people who were already down, apparently to ensure they were dead, said Angel Colon, a wounded survivor.
"I look over and he shoots the girl next to me and I was just there laying down and thinking: 'I'm next, I'm dead,'" he said.
Mateen shot him twice more, one bullet apparently aimed for Colon's head striking his hand, and another hitting his hip, Colon said at Orlando Regional Medical Center, where he is one of 27 survivors being treated.
Fox News, citing an FBI source, said prosecutors were seeking to charge Mateen's wife as an accessory to 49 counts of murder and 53 counts of attempted murder and failure to notify law enforcement about the pending attack and lying to federal agents.
NBC News said Salman told federal agents that she tried to talk her husband out of carrying out the attack. But she also told the FBI that she once drove him to the Pulse nightclub because he wanted to scope it out, the network said.
A former wife of Mateen, who was a security guard, has said he was mentally unstable and beat her. The ex-spouse, Sitora Yusufiy, said she fled their home after four months of marriage.
Salman's mother, Ekbal Zahi Salman, lives in a middle-class neighborhood of the suburban town of Rodeo, California. A neighbour said Noor Salman only visited her mother once after she married Mateen.
Noor Salman's mother "didn't like him very much. He didn't allow her [Noor] to come here," said neighbour Rajinder Chahal. He said he had spoken to Noor Salman's mother after the Orlando attack. "She was crying, weeping."
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Obama denounced Donald Trump for his proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States, joining fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton in portraying the Republican presidential candidate as unfit for the White House.
Trump had criticised Obama for not using the term "radical Islamic terrorism".
"What exactly would using this label accomplish, what exactly would it change?" Obama replied. "Someone seriously thinks we don't know who we're fighting? ... There's no magic to the phrase 'radical Islam'. It's a political talking point. It is not a strategy."
Obama criticised what he called "yapping" and "loose talk" from Republicans over the fight against terrorism.
Jumble of ideologies

Mateen made 911 calls from the club in which he pledged loyalty to the ISIL leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, whose organisation controls parts of Iraq and Syria.
He also claimed solidarity with the ethnic Chechen brothers who carried out the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing and with a Palestinian-American who became a suicide bomber in Syria for al-Nusra Front, authorities said.
"We could hear him talking to 911 saying that the reason why he's doing this is because he wants America to stop bombing his country. From that conversation from 911 he pledges allegiance to ISIS," said Patience Carter, 20, who was trapped in a bathroom stall at the nightclub as Mateen prowled outside.
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Carter, from Philadelphia, read a poem to the media that she said she wrote to help her heal.
"Looking at the blood and debris covered on everyone's faces. Looking at the gunman's feet under the stall as he paces. The guilt of feeling lucky to be alive is heavy," the poem read.
One official said investigators believe Mateen browsed "militant Islamist" material on the internet for two years or more before the shootings.
Soon after the attack, Mateen's father indicated that his son had harboured strong anti-gay feelings. He recounted an incident when his son became angry when he saw two men kissing in Miami while out with his wife and son.
US officials were investigating media reports that Mateen may have been gay but not openly so, and questioning whether that could have driven his attack, according to two people who have been briefed regularly on the investigation and requested anonymity to discuss it.
The owner of Pulse, speaking through a representative, denied reports that Mateen had been a regular patron.
"Untrue and totally ridiculous," Sara Brady, a spokeswoman for club owner Barbara Poma, said in an email when asked about the claim.
Mateen's father, Seddique Mateen, told reporters his son had never mentioned being homosexual. "I don't believe he was a whatever you call it," he said.

[Ivan De Mey]

Newsblog Cryptogon came under attack after a post about the Orlando shooting.

http://www.cryptogon.com/?p=48968

Most of that post can be found on other sites, except this:



Mateen Interviewed by the FBI Twice, Had Been On Terrorist Watch List, Shares Name with FBI Informant in Another Florida Terrorism Case

Mateen (more on the name in a minute) was suspected of being a terrorist and had contact with a suicide bomber… Despite these factors, he was taken off the terrorist watch list and issued a security guard license.
Fascinating.
Mateen was a mentally ill cop poser (see the image below) with multiple contacts with the FBI.
Now read this piece in the New Yorker about the FBI manufacturing terrorism cases:

But Michael German, a former F.B.I. agent who researches national security law at New York University's Brennan Center for Justice, told the Times, "They're manufacturing terrorism cases." In too many instances, he said, "these people are five steps away from being a danger to the United States."

In the same article, we learn that there was an FBI informant named David Mahmood Siddiqui in another Florida terrorist case:

This is not the first time that the F.B.I. has attracted criticism from national-security experts and civil-liberties groups for generating terrorism cases through sting operations and confidential informants. In "The Imam's Curse," published in September, I reported on a Florida family that was accused of providing "material support" to terrorists. In that case, a father, Hafiz Khan, and two of his sons were arrested. The charges against the sons were eventually dropped, but Hafiz Khan was convicted and sentenced to twenty-five years in prison. At Khan's trial, his lawyer, Khurrum Wahid, questioned the reliability of the key informant in the case, David Mahmood Siddiqui. Wahid accused Siddiqui, who'd had periods of unemployment, of lying to authorities because his work as a confidential informant was lucrative. For his role in the case, Siddiqui had received a hundred and twenty-six thousand dollars, plus expenses. But in a subsequent interview with the Associated Press, Siddiqui stood by his testimony and motives: "I did it for the love of my country, not for money."

Several years ago, our lone wolf shooter, Mateen, changed his name.
It turns out the he added Mateen to his original name, which was Omar Mir Seddique.
According to Wikipedia, Seddique is another English spelling of Siddiqui.
Reuters notes:

In an interview with NBC News on Sunday, Seddique Mateen, also known as Mir Siddique, said his son's rampage had "nothing to do with religion."

What are the odds that an FBI informant in a Florida terrorist case shares the same last name as the perpetrator of the worst mass shooting in U.S. historyalso in Floridaa lone wolf cop poser with multiple acknowledged contacts with the FBI, who was formerly listed on the terrorist watch list and associated with a suicide bomber… while holding a valid security guard license?

Coincidences.

[Albert Doyle]

They've successfully brought the conflict in Israel to America now as planned.

[David Guyatt]

You're right, Pete. It is getting strange.

Witness says shooter told him there were three other shooters.

[Albert Doyle]

I think there was a security guard who shot back.

[Michael Barwell]

Bit like George Washington; this fella wanted to be a cop, then when it didn't work-out, he decided to bat for the other team - nominally; George Washington ssoooin the British army, then when it didn't work-out ... etc. wanted a commision t

Repost of this gibberish - whenever I ctrl-I/U/B, the type prompt dances 'round like Dirlwangers fartleberries in a stiff breeze making nonsense of what I've typed, usually i type in Word/Wordpad then copy/paste here; should've known better & double-checked it.

What I was saying, was that this Mateen fella seems to wanted to be a cop, then when he's rejected, decided to bat for the other team - nominally, as he seems to have been an homosex in denial & projecting that internal conflict upon his victims. But the thing about deciding to bat for the other team, is just what george Washington did; he'd soooo wanted a commision in the British army for a long time, then when he didn't get it, joined the other team. Casually interesting point.



Seems to me, his allying with ISIL's just a convenience whereby he's claiming a higher purpose & identity, other than what seems to be the real reason for which he'd get no pat on the back from anyone.

I've had "gay" & "homosexual" type refs from the shitehounds for years (tho' the incidence has dropped-off enormously over the last 2yrs or so); I've long been aware that they accuse me of being what they are - ever easy ref'ing from the aptly-trained monkeys, who, incidentally, say they're "Doing gods work" and are of the "church" & "religiously". "devil" etc etc. ad nauseumbollocks. Same ppl.

Couple of those effects that they do to make posting on this site a hassle:

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-Teeny, tiny fonts too small to see, & rotating the screen thru' 90deg last month withing a minute of logging-in was a good one.

Refs I've had to the news on Orlando are: Mon13June, Ch4News, 7:01pm, "cornered"; 7:10, "attack on the gay community", staccato clicking right ear; 7:12, "hate gays" hi-pitch tone left ear; 7:35pm, "homophobic violence" upper left arm twitch [oooh, top attack neuralgic there - that's probably the heart-stopper radio-frek, I'm guessing], & shitloads more to pics of ppl & the sound of gunfire on the reports.

[Drew Phipps]

Ok so this eyewitness guy heard Mateen tell someone there were four shooters, with 2 suicide vests, and snipers waiting to kill the police when they arrived. All that was lies. There were no suicide vests, even on Mateen. There were no snipers. As far as we know.


Mateen's one sided telephone conversation hearsay evidence simply isn't credible evidence of a conspiracy. For one thing, we know Mateen told lies about Daesh. He lied to his father about being gay; but not apparently, to the ex-wife. For another thing, why wouldn't one lone wolf with multiple hostages pretend to have confederates in order to maintain crowd control? How do we even know for sure that Mateen was actually talking to a real person during this part of the incident? He didn't mention snipers or bombs during his 911 call. He didn't mention that stuff when he called the TV station.


I think the guy just got tired of waiting for the cops to come gun him down, so he started making phony threatening calls to keep his hostages quiet and to make sure the cops were armed and ready.