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Where's the Gold - odd things happening down at the Comex
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David Guyatt Wrote:Hey Peter, you're a brave man dealing in the gold paper market!

David. There's nothing brave about my particular modus operandi I can assure you. Of all the tradeable paper contracts/securities markets, the PM's are probably THE most rigged and manipulated. So, like you, I would never use them for investment purposes. High-frequency trading is a different matter though. I rarely hold a pm contract for more than a few days and NEVER during the few days prior to a contract expiry. Average hold time is probably about 30 minutes overall. It's a tedious boring useless occupation but I manage to make a few bob at it.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
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David
Ah yes - the goldsmiths were the first bankers ... some of my long-forgotten economics A level ( grade C ) is starting to come back to me .

As my respect & admiration for your work led me to this site in the first place I particularly appreciate your posting !
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Peter Presland Wrote:
David Guyatt Wrote:Hey Peter, you're a brave man dealing in the gold paper market!

David. There's nothing brave about my particular modus operandi I can assure you. Of all the tradeable paper contracts/securities markets, the PM's are probably THE most rigged and manipulated. So, like you, I would never use them for investment purposes. High-frequency trading is a different matter though. I rarely hold a pm contract for more than a few days and NEVER during the few days prior to a contract expiry. Average hold time is probably about 30 minutes overall. It's a tedious boring useless occupation but I manage to make a few bob at it.

Peter, when I come back from my extended holidays - er drowning - you'll have to teach me how to make a few quid too, as the idea is pleasing that some of us - who are not banksters or members of Vito Corleone's family or tatoo'ed Yakuza, or whatever - can also sometimes profit from the financial and commodity markets.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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Chris Bowen Wrote:David
Ah yes - the goldsmiths were the first bankers ... some of my long-forgotten economics A level ( grade C ) is starting to come back to me .

As my respect & admiration for your work led me to this site in the first place I particularly appreciate your posting !

It's kind of you to say so Chris. These days I'm a happily retired and a happily boring old fart ( "BOF" for short), so I hope I don't disappoint.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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On Doing God’s Work

“Gold Finger - A New Take On Operation Grand Slam With A Tungsten Twist”

by Rob Kirby | November 12, 2009


I’ve already reported on irregular physical gold settlements which occurred in London, England back in the first week of October, 2009. Specifically, these settlements involved the intermediation of at least one Central Bank [The Bank of England] to resolve allocated settlements on behalf of J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank – who DID NOT have the gold bullion that they had sold short and were contracted to deliver. At the same time I reported on two other unusual occurrences:
1] - irregularities in the publication of the gold ETF - GLD’s bar list from Sept. 25 – Oct.14 where the length of the bar list went from 1,381 pages to under 200 pages and then back up to 800 or so pages.
2] - reports of 400 oz. “good delivery” bricks of gold found gutted and filled with tungsten within the confines of LBMA approved vaults in Hong Kong.
Why Tungsten?
If anyone were contemplating creating “fake” gold bars, tungsten [at roughly $10 per pound] would be the metal of choice since it has the exact same density as gold making a fake bar salted with tungsten indistinguishable from a solid gold bar by simply weighing it.
Unfortunately, there are now more sordid details to report.
When the news of tungsten “salted” gold bars in Hong Kong first surfaced, many people
who I am acquainted with automatically assumed that these bars were manufactured in
China – because China is generally viewed as “the knock-off capital of the world”.
Here’s what I now understand really happened:
The amount of “salted tungsten” gold bars in question was allegedly between 5,600 and 5,700 – 400 oz – good delivery bars [roughly 60 metric tonnes].
This was apparently all highly orchestrated by an extremely well financed criminal operation.
Within mere hours of this scam being identified – Chinese officials had many of the perpetrators in custody.
And here’s what the Chinese allegedly uncovered:
Roughly 15 years ago – during the Clinton Administration [think Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] – between 1.3 and 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten blanks were allegedly manufactured by a very high-end, sophisticated refiner in the USA [more than 16 Thousand metric tonnes]. Subsequently, 640,000 of these tungsten blanks received their gold plating and WERE shipped to Ft. Knox and remain there to this day. I know folks who have copies of the original shipping docs with dates and exact weights of “tungsten” bars shipped to Ft. Knox.
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The balance of this 1.3 million – 1.5 million 400 oz tungsten cache was also plated and then allegedly “sold” into the international market.
Apparently, the global market is literally “stuffed full of 400 oz salted bars”.
Makes one wonder if the Indians were smart enough to assay their 200 tonne haul from the IMF?
A Slow Motion Train Wreck, Years in the Making
An obscure news item originally published in the N.Y. Post [written by Jennifer Anderson] in late Jan. 04 has always ‘stuck in my craw’:
DA investigating NYMEX executive - Manhattan, New York, district attorney's office, Stuart Smith - Melting Pot - Brief Article – Feb. 2, 2004
A top executive at the New York Mercantile Exchange is being investigated by the Manhattan district attorney. Sources close to the exchange said that Stuart Smith, senior vice president of operations at the exchange, was served with a search warrant by the district attorney's office last week. Details of the investigation have not been disclosed, but a NYMEX spokeswoman said it was unrelated to any of the exchange's markets. She declined to comment further other than to say that charges had not been brought. A spokeswoman for the Manhattan district attorney's office also declined comment.
The offices of the Senior Vice President of Operations - NYMEX – is exactly where you would go to find the records [serial number and smelter of origin] for EVERY GOLD BAR ever PHYSICALLY settled on the exchange. They are required to keep these records. These precise records would show the lineage of all the physical gold settled on the exchange and hence "prove" that the amount of gold in question could not have possibly come from the U.S. mining operations – because the amounts in question coming from U.S. smelters would undoubtedly be vastly bigger than domestic mine production.
We never have found out what happened to poor ole Stuart Smith – after his offices were "raided" – he took administrative leave from the NYMEX and he has never been heard from since. Amazingly [or perhaps not], there never was any follow up on in the media on the original story as well as ZERO developments ever stemming from D.A. Morgenthau’s office who executed the search warrant.
Are we to believe that NYMEX offices were raided, the Sr. V.P. of operations then takes leave - all for nothing?
These revelations should provide a “new filter” through which Rothschild exiting the gold market back in 2004 begins to make a little more sense:
“LONDON, April 14, 2004 (Reuters) - NM Rothschild & Sons Ltd., the London-based unit of investment bank Rothschild [ROT.UL], will withdraw from trading commodities, including gold, in London as it reviews its operations, it said on Wednesday.”
Interestingly, GATA’s Bill Murphy speculated about this back in 2004;
“Why is Rothschild leaving the gold business at this time my colleagues and I conjectured today? Just a guess on my part, but suspect:”
*SOMETHING IS AMISS. THEY KNOW A BIG GOLD SCANDAL IS COMING AND THEY WANT NO PART OF IT. …”
“ROTHSCHILD WANTS OUT BEFORE THE PROVERBIAL "S" HITS THE FAN.” BILL MURPHY, LEMETROPOLE, 4-18-2004
Coincidentally [or perhaps, not?], GLD Began Trading 11/12/2004
In light of what has occurred – regarding the Gold ETF, GLD – after reviewing their prospectus yet again, it becomes pretty clear that GLD was established to purposefully deflect investment dollars away from legitimate gold pursuits and to create a stealth, cesspool / catch-all, slush-fund and a likely destination for many of these “salted tungsten bars” where they would never see the light of day – hidden behind the following legalese “shield” from the law:
Excerpt from the GLD prospectus on page 11:
http://www.spdrgoldshares.com/media/GLD/file/SPDRGoldTrustProspectus.pdf
Gold bars allocated to the Trust in connection with the creation of a Basket may not meet the London Good Delivery Standards and, if a Basket is issued against such gold, the Trust may suffer a loss. Neither the Trustee nor the Custodian independently confirms the fineness of the gold bars allocated to the Trust in connection with the creation of a Basket. The gold bars allocated to the Trust by the Custodian may be different from the reported fineness or weight required by the LBMA’s standards for gold bars delivered in settlement of a gold trade, or the London Good Delivery Standards, the standards required by the Trust. If the Trustee nevertheless issues a Basket against such gold, and if the Custodian fails to satisfy its obligation to credit the Trust the amount of any deficiency, the Trust may suffer a loss.
The Fed Has Already Been Caught Lying
Liberty Coin’s Patrick Heller recently wrote,
Earlier this year, the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee (GATA), filed a second Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the Federal Reserve System for documents from 1990 to date having to do with gold swaps, gold swapped, or proposed gold swaps.

On Aug. 5, The Federal Reserve responded to this FOIA request by adding two more documents to those disclosed to GATA in April 2008 from the earlier FOIA request. These documents totaled 173 pages, many parts of which were redacted (covered up to omit sections of text). The Fed's response also noted that there were 137 pages of documents not disclosed that were alleged to be exempt from disclosure.
GATA appealed this determination on Aug. 20. The appeal asked for more information to substantiate the legitimacy of the claimed exemptions from disclosure and an explanation on why some documents, such as one posted on the Federal Reserve Web site that discusses gold swaps, were not included in the Aug. 5 document release.
In a Sept. 17, 2009, letter on Federal Reserve System letterhead, Federal Reserve governor Kevin M. Warsh completely denied GATA's appeal. The entire text of this letter can be examined at http://www.gata.org/files/GATAFedResponse-09-17-2009.pdf.
The first paragraph on the third page is the most revealing. Warsh wrote, "In connection with your appeal, I have confirmed that the information withheld under exemption 4 consists of confidential commercial or financial information relating to the operations of the Federal Reserve Banks that was obtained within the meaning of exemption 4. This includes information relating to swap arrangements with foreign banks on behalf of the Federal Reserve System and is not the type of information that is customarily disclosed to the public. This information was properly withheld from you."
This paragraph will likely be one of the most important news stories of the year.
Though not stated in plain English, this paragraph is an admission that the Fed has in the past and may now be engaged in trading gold swaps. Warsh's letter contradicts previous Fed statements to GATA denying that it ever engaged in gold swaps during the time period between Jan. 1, 1990 and the present.
[Perhaps most importantly], this was GATA's second FOIA request to the Federal Reserve on the issue of gold swaps. The 173 pages of documents received for the 2009 FOIA request all pre-dated the 2007 FOIA request, which means they should have been released in the response to the earlier FOIA request. This establishes a likelihood that the Federal Reserve has failed to adequately search or disclose relevant documents. Further, the Fed response admitted that it had copies of relevant records that originally appeared on the Treasury Department Web site, but failed to include them in its response.
Now that Federal Reserve governor Warsh has admitted that the Fed has lied in the past about the Fed’s involvement with gold. It should now be very clear to everyone why the Fed is lying and the true nature of what they are hiding / withholding.
On Doing God’s Work
An important footnote to consider is the inter-twined-ness of the U.S. Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury [can anyone really tell them apart?] as well as this duopoly’s two principal agents – J.P. Morgan-Chase and Goldman Sachs. When one truly grasps the nature of these highly conflicted relationships it gives a fuller meaning to words recently uttered by Goldman head, Lloyd Blankfein, who claimed,
“I’m doing god’s work”
Does this really mean that Mr. Blankfein believes that the Federal Reserve is god? You can judge for yourself. While the Fed prints money like no one else could - except god almighty himself [or Gideon Gono, perhaps?] – I really doubt that was the intent back in 1864, when the U.S. adopted “In God We Trust” as their official motto.
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And that’s my two cents worth for today.

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#16
Woow! This is interesting. How is this going to play out? I wonder if the Indian government checked their recent delivery of gold?
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#17
This is really very curious. I thought it was now standard practice to drill random gold bars on delivery to determine if they are, in fact, solid gold and haven't been salted - because forging bars is an old trick that dates back hundreds of years. This is demonstrated by the fact that in 2008 South Africa returned a delivery of gold from Ethiopia after they were discovered they were made from gilded steel (see HERE)

I also have some problems about the alleged deposit of tungsten fake bars to Fort Knox. Why bother doing this? Who is the target of this fake? Presumably the Clinton Administration faking itself? As I recall it, there has not been a proper audit of the Ft. Knox depository for decades and that this was one of the bones GATA has been gnawing at for a long time. For all intents and purposes Ft. Knox could be empty and no one would be the wiser. Prof. Tony Sutton, just before he died, conjectured that Ft. Knox only had a little coin melt in it.

Is there any established evidence that the Bank of England stepped into help out JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank?

I mention these points because I am somewhat cautious when gold traders make statements that cannot be proven or have no basis in fact. Starting rumours in the market to effect the price of a commodity is another old and well established trick and those in the precious metal industry are more than skilled at it.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#18
My first thought on spotting this a couple of days ago was that it plays straight into the hands of the Banksters Gold Cartel.

Subsequent trawling around the gold-bugs sites confirms this view in spades. There is now real fear in the hearts of those in possession physical gold - is it fake? How can I find out?

And on the part of potential buyers: How do I know it isn't fake?

Doesn't take a genius to work out the net effect of that on price.

There are non-destructive tests available but, on the face of it all involve either prohibitively expensive x-ray/ultra-sound/resonant frequency type measuring equipment or long-winded procedures to measure heat conductivity, specific heat or elasticity. I guess the race is on to provide a relatively cheap/simple testing device. Cheap scales have been sold on eBay for years but they're not capable of detecting this type of fakery (ie a density difference of .36%)

For sure without a cheap simple test, retail gold market confidence will suffer.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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David Guyatt Wrote:This is really very curious. I thought it was now standard practice to drill random gold bars on delivery to determine if they are, in fact, solid gold and haven't been salted - because forging bars is an old trick that dates back hundreds of years. This is demonstrated by the fact that in 2008 South Africa returned a delivery of gold from Ethiopia after they were discovered they were made from gilded steel (see HERE)

I also have some problems about the alleged deposit of tungsten fake bars to Fort Knox. Why bother doing this? Who is the target of this fake? Presumably the Clinton Administration faking itself? As I recall it, there has not been a proper audit of the Ft. Knox depository for decades and that this was one of the bones GATA has been gnawing at for a long time. For all intents and purposes Ft. Knox could be empty and no one would be the wiser. Prof. Tony Sutton, just before he died, conjectured that Ft. Knox only had a little coin melt in it.

Is there any established evidence that the Bank of England stepped into help out JP Morgan and Deutsche Bank?

I mention these points because I am somewhat cautious when gold traders make statements that cannot be proven or have no basis in fact. Starting rumours in the market to effect the price of a commodity is another old and well established trick and those in the precious metal industry are more than skilled at it.
All good points David, especially the rumours one.

I think the balance of probability is that a default on the March Comex contract WAS narrowly avoided by Central Bank intervention, but the consensus seems to be that it was the ECB that 'saved the day' with its surprise announcement of an unscheduled gold sale coincident with the Deutsche Bank liability falling due. Murky, murky, murky - as always with things gold.

I found the most striking thing about the Safehaven article you referenced was the unarguable facts of that Chinese factory. A quick chunter around that site will alarm ANY Gold Bug and, unlike other chinese counterfeiting operations that draw such ire from the West, my guess is that there will be a deafening silence about this particular operation.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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Just a quick clarification on my last two posts here.

They are both aimed at the effects on the RETAIL gold market. The last thing Western Monetary authorities want is an explosion in retail demand for gold. Each individual retail purchase is, by definition, tiny relative to official (alleged) stocks but nonetheless, taken as a whole have the potential to decimate those (alleged) stocks. Anything that adds uncertainty to the psyche of the average retail purchaser is manna from heaven for the Controllers and this Tungsten thing is clearly doing just that right now.
Peter Presland

".....there is something far worse than Nazism, and that is the hubris of the Anglo-American fraternities, whose routine is to incite indigenous monsters to war, and steer the pandemonium to further their imperial aims"
Guido Preparata. Preface to 'Conjuring Hitler'[size=12][size=12]
"Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
Claud Cockburn

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