The Finders

[David Guyatt]

I meant the Freemasonic lodges. When I said "occult programming" I just meant trauma-based programming that was done in occult circles vs government circles. Sorry for the confusion.

I have not studied the occult very closely so I'm just going by what I can observe from victims of such abuse and those who treat them. Thanks for clarifying that bit about the Kabbala.

I say they're operating from the same handbook because you would think that different methods, terminology, etc would be used if they weren't. It seems too uniform to me. I'm sure you've read "The Greenbaum Speech" that Hammond gave. I've found that to be accurate and to hold true across different groups and different cults.

Thanks for the clarification, Doug.

The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

[Charles Keeble]

It would seem that MPD/DID can now be produced with a combination of electronics and covert hypnosis. "Walter Bowart" "Albany Medical College" "The Finders"

[Magda Hassan]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1987...en-finders

The men, Finders members Michael Holwell, 23, and Douglas Ammerman, 27, are in the Leon County Jail, charged with misdemeanor child abuse stemming from the unkempt, bug-bitten condition in which the children were found.
''Our main concern is to make clear to the authorities that we are very good parents and that the home environment is not just adequate but superbly happy, healthy, fun and educational,'' said Kristin Knauth, 26, a free-lance writer and editor and mother of Ben, 4, one of the children in custody.

http://infidels.org/kiosk/article/a-free...r-257.html

A Freethinkers' Haven Grows in--Culpeper?
Kristin K. Nauth
In one of the most conservative towns in Virginia, a female skeptic is launching a "live-in/live-out think tank" for secularists of all stripes. Only those with a good sense of humor need apply, though.
Seventy miles south of Washington, DC, is the town of Culpeper, Virginia, a pretty little burg of 10,000 with views of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Culpeper is the sort of place where your social circle is defined by which of the 30-odd Christian churches you belong to, the tallest edifice in town is the Southern Baptist steeple, and the Wal-Mart parking lot is full at 11pm on a Saturday night. George Washington surveyed the town's limits in 1749--and, according to a local joke, that's the last interesting thing that happened here.
The solid, red-brick corner house at 409 Macoy Avenue seems transplanted from another planet. On a block of crewcut lawns and military-corner boxwoods, this yard is veiled by a scrim of soaring, lacy bamboo. Cross the front porch and the first thing you spot is a quote by Emma Goldman on the front door: "Atheism is the eternal yea to life, purpose, and beauty." Well, that's a breath of fresh air; this town was starting to make you feel a little paranoid. Then you notice there's no doorbell, only a large Chinese gong, which makes a sonorous clang when you tentatively tap it with the drumstick hanging nearby.
And the smiling blonde woman who opens the front door looks far less like the natives you've met than like a young Swedish university professor. Which, it turns out, she is. Introducing herself as Merrie Shaker Pettie, female skeptic, she explains in softly accented but fluent English that she arrived two years ago from Stockholm, where she worked as a lecturer in philosophy. Her father was American, and she moved here when a relative bequeathed her this house.

This Finder, Knauth or Nauth, is obviously not being very honest by failing to disclose her relationship to The Finders. But who is Merrie Shaker Pettie? Marion's wife? Daughter? This poster claims they emailed Nauth and she said the following...

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...=46&t=8555

in a sort of poem that sometimes she goes by Kristin Knauth, sometimes by Kristin K. Nauth and sometimes by Merrie Shaker Pettie. Yep, she's not his daughter or wife, she's a fictional creation of or alternate personality of (K)Nauth. Now, I have no way to prove this, even if I did have the emails, because I could have made it up...but maybe you can track her down and write her yourself.

Now even if that poster is telling the truth, it doesn't mean much considering The Finders admit that they like to play games and confuse people.

Looks like this is a piece she wrote back in 1999

https://web.archive.org/web/201202270413...nowmag.htm

In From The Cold


In a new era of openness, the U.S. intelligence community learns to balance knowledge sharing and knowledge security


-By Kristin K. Nauth

Kristin K. Nauth, a Washington, D.C.-based specialist in intelligence/counterintelligence reporting and future studies, has contributed articles to numerous business, technology and policy publications.

Found a lot of new info here...still sifting through it...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Zeta...opics/2219

Thanks for these links Doug. There is a lot to go through and some some very intriguing trails by the look of it.

[Doug Fisher]

Found a lot of new info here...still sifting through it...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Zeta...opics/2219

There's a tremendous amount of information compiled here. I'm still chipping away at it slowly. There's an email address for Agent Ramirez (assuming it's the same Agent Ramirez) and even emails for many of The Finders themselves. Some are in very influential positions. Two of them, Nauth and Silverstone, worked for Knowledge Management.

Kristin Nauth is currently at Foresight Alliance.

http://www.foresightalliance.com/about/kristin-nauth/

Which receives grants from The Rockefeller Foundation.

http://www.rockefellerfoundation.org/gra...b973c73c76

[David Guyatt]

Keep us informed of your progress and research will you please, Doug?

You might not always get an acknowledgement, but you'll always be read and absorbed...

[Doug Fisher]

I'll post updates as I get more organized. Right now I'm still jotting down notes. I do have two questions that hopefully somebody can help me with...

1) Does anyone know anything about John Wren-Lewis? Especially possible ties to the intelligence community?

2) Some sources say The Finders were originally known as Seekers, and others say they were known as The Community. Unfortunately there are several cults that went by those names, and I haven't been able to determine if any of them were connected to The Finders. Has anyone come across a cult that might fit the bill?

[Charles Keeble]

The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

I've read this Speech before because I have it on a hard drive. What are all the references to bloodline / non-bloodline about?

[Doug Fisher]

The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

I've read this Speech before because I have it on a hard drive. What are all the references to bloodline / non-bloodline about?

I think he's just distinguishing between people who are generational satanists (parents were satanists) and people who are "outsiders." Non-bloodline people would be people who were persuaded to join the cult, homeless people or children they abducted, etc. You'd think that they wouldn't abuse their own, but that's not the case. They torture and rape people who are blood relatives and have been in the cult for generations.

I also think that they believe the blood itself is valuable for some of their rituals, because they'll use some of their "bloodline" generational satanists to act as breeders. Basically they're forced to give birth every year, and the newborn is sacrificed in a ritual.

[David Guyatt]

The Greenbaum Speech can be found HERE.

I've read this Speech before because I have it on a hard drive. What are all the references to bloodline / non-bloodline about?

I think he's just distinguishing between people who are generational satanists (parents were satanists) and people who are "outsiders." Non-bloodline people would be people who were persuaded to join the cult, homeless people or children they abducted, etc. You'd think that they wouldn't abuse their own, but that's not the case. They torture and rape people who are blood relatives and have been in the cult for generations.

I also think that they believe the blood itself is valuable for some of their rituals, because they'll use some of their "bloodline" generational satanists to act as breeders. Basically they're forced to give birth every year, and the newborn is sacrificed in a ritual.

Yes, that how I read the bloodline aspect, too.

In some parts of occult lore, blood is regarded as he transmission agent of libido, chi or life energy. Taking blood is, therefore, imbibing other people's energy. Hence the stories of vampires and other cultures who eat their enemies hearts, after battle etc.

Crowley, writing as Frater Perdurabo, speaks of this in his book Magick in Theory and Practise in the Chapter titled "Of The Bloody Sacrifice: And Matters Cognate." In another thread I argue that Crowley actually once murdered a young boy for this purpose.

I am mindful f the fact that this is a perversion of what is actually meant and intended.

[Don Jeffries]

I cover this creepy outfit in my new book Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, along with the Franklin Credit/Boys Town scandal. These frightening groups seem connected to Bohemian Grove and the other nearly incomprehensible "leisure" activities of those who misrule us.

For whatever reason, power and real sexual perversion seem to go hand in hand.