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Only A Matter Of Time - Overt Coup in USA
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By the way, Peter, thanks for the InfraGard info. I was not aware of it, and it indeed is chilling, especially given other factors and events. In the near future, there is the G-20 meeting Sept. 25 and 26 in Pittsburgh, PA (USA) as described in these two articles:

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/08/free-s...gh-a-test/

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/2009..._defiance/

Some people have just been put on notice that they are targets when what they thought they might have been engaged in is some form of what Dave Pollard recently called "creative activism" http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/2009/08/27.html#a2433.

What, he argues, "we must do, as individuals, and as members of communities and organizations, is to become more adaptive and improvisational, because the important challenges we will face in this century do not lend themselves to political or economic or planned solutions, and they will introduce permanent shifts, not the temporary and cyclical ones we've been accustomed to."

"How do we, as activists, creatively and humanely obstruct, disrupt, sabotage and stop these and other organizations that are killing us and ruining our world, now?"
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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#12
InfraGuard, HS, FBI ~ SA
Blackwater/Xe etc., CIA ~ SS

Yes, How do we?.....and fast!
Now with a private army - with tests being given to soldiers to identify those that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans inside the country in time of National Emergency, one wonders who one can trust, but ourselves.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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"tests being given to soldiers to identify those that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans inside the country in time of National Emergency"

Oh?!

Many have responded to the theorization of martial law by saying no Americans would ever fire on their contrymen -- despite numerous examples -- so I'm curious as to what types of tests, administered by whom, where, and the source of that idea ... but then I am also cognizant of the Stanford experiments et al ... and My Lai .. and the civil rights stuff .. and Patton's work in DC .. and the mining labor violence... so I don't disbelieve the concept, or you, but I want that reference to use in the debates.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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Ed Jewett Wrote:"tests being given to soldiers to identify those that would be willing to shoot fellow Americans inside the country in time of National Emergency"

Oh?!

Many have responded to the theorization of martial law by saying no Americans would ever fire on their contrymen -- despite numerous examples -- so I'm curious as to what types of tests, administered by whom, where, and the source of that idea ... but then I am also cognizant of the Stanford experiments et al ... and My Lai .. and the civil rights stuff .. and Patton's work in DC .. and the mining labor violence... so I don't disbelieve the concept, or you, but I want that reference to use in the debates.

No, there are elite and secret [as to which] have been identified [and trained - desensitized] to follow orders to shoot, arrest, beat, mace, laser/maser/etc.-blast fellow citizens.

U.S. Troops Asked If They Would Shoot American Citizens
Iraq vet exposes how he was trained to round up Americans in martial law exercise, asked if he would kill his own friends and family


Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, February 4th, 2008


U.S. troops are being trained to conduct round-ups, confiscate guns and shoot American citizens, including their own friends and family members, as part of a long-standing program to prepare for the declaration of martial law, according to a soldier who recently returned from Iraq.

We received an e mail from "Scott", a member of a pipefitters union that runs an apprenticeship program called Helmets To Hard Hats, which according to its website, "Is a national program that connects National Guard, Reserve and transitioning active-duty military members with quality career training and employment opportunities within the construction industry."

Scott writes that his company hired a soldier who had recently returned from Iraq, who told him that U.S. troops were being quizzed on whether or not they would be prepared to shoot their own friends and family members during a national state of emergency in America.


"I have become very close to this young man and have gained his respect and trust," writes Scott. "I want you to know that he informed me about one particular training exercise his superiors made them perform. It was concerning the rounding up of American citizens that disobey any type of martial law or in other words any type of infringement on our freedoms."

"He was asked if he could shoot his friends or family members if ordered to do so. At the time he said he could," writes Scott.

Scott says that the soldier later "had time to clear his head" and realize the truth, recanting his vow to kill his own countrymen if ordered to do so.

The issue of whether U.S. troops would be prepared to round-up, disarm and if necessary shoot Americans who disobeyed orders during a state of martial law is a question that military chiefs have been attempting to answer for at least 15 years.

Its known origins can be traced back to an October 1994 Marine questionnaire out of the Twentynine Palms Marine Base in California. Recruits were asked 46 questions, including whether they would kill U.S. citizens who refused to surrender their firearms.

Documentary film maker Alex Jones brought to light similar training programs that were taking place across the country in the late 90's which revolved around U.S. Marines being trained to arrest American citizens and take them to internment camps.

During one such program in Oakland California, dubbed "Operation Urban Warrior," Marines refused to answer if they would target American citizens for gun confiscation if ordered to do so.



During hurricane Katrina, National Guard units were ordered to confiscate guns belonging to New Orleans residents.

As we first exposed in May 2006, Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government and FEMA to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

Pastors and other religious representatives are being taught to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

Many scoffed at our original story, which was based on the testimony of a whistleblower who was asked to participate in the program. Claims that the story was a conspiracy theory soon evaporated when a mainstream KSLA news report confirmed the existence of the program.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles...ricans.htm
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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