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Was Jonestown a CIA medical experiment?
#11
Peter Presland Wrote:He also makes a long-winded distinction between 'investigative journalist' and 'conspiracist' - and pretty spurious one in my view - which illustrates the paranoia that the label engenders in anyone desperate to remain acceptable to the MSM:

I agree Peter.

It is a bitter pill to have to swallow to be labelled a Conspiracist by your own profession, academia - and all who sail in her - when you've been diligent in your investigation and have written only the facts. Repeating this experience can lead to extreme caution in carrying thorough to the obvious conclusions.

But this attitude reveals an ingrained naivete imo, since it has ever been the case that attacking the status quo will alway result in a harsh reaction.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#12
I have been asked to post the entire, footnoted, John Judge article entitled "The Black Hole of Guyana".

It is a fine and important piece of work, and should be read as complementary to Michael Meiers' Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment? and Jim Hougan's most valuable Jonestown articles.


[quote]
The Black Hole of Guyana
The Untold Story of the Jonestown Massacre

by John Judge
1985



* You Know the Official Version
* But Just Suppose It
Didn't Happen That Way...
* Who Was Jim Jones?
* What Was Jonestown?
* One Too Many Jonestowns
* The Links to U.S. Intelligence Agencies
* The Strange Connection
to the Murder of Martin Luther King
* Aftermath
* SOURCES



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| |
| The ultimate victims of mind control at Jonestown are the |
| American people. If we fail to look beyond the constructed |
| images given us by the television and the press, then our |
| consciousness is manipulated, just as well as the |
| Jonestown victims' was. Facing nuclear annihilation, may |
| see the current militarism of the Reagan policies, and |
| military training itself, as the real "mass suicide cult." |
| If the discrepancy between the truth of Jonestown and the |
| official version can be so great, what other lies have we |
| been told about major events? |
| |
| History is precious. In a democracy, knowledge must be |
| accessible for informed consent to function. Hiding or |
| distorting history behind "national security" leaves the |
| public as the final enemy of the government. Democratic |
| process cannot operate on "need to know." Otherwise we |
| live in the 1984 envisioned by Orwell's projections and we |
| must heed his warning that those who control the past |
| control the future. |
| |
| The real tragedy of Jonestown is not only that it |
| occurred, but that so few chose to ask themselves why or |
| how, so few sought to find out the facts behind the |
| bizarre tale used to explain away the death of more than |
| 900 people, and that so many will continue to be blind to |
| the grim reality of our intelligence agencies. In the long |
| run, the truth will come out. Only our complicity in the |
| deception continues to dishonor the dead. |
| |
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Somewhere in the concrete canyons of New York City a recently
formed rock group is using the name Jim Jones and the Suicides.
Irreverent and disarming, the name reflects the new trend in punk
rock, to take social issues head on. Cynicism about the Jonestown
deaths and its social parallels abound in the lyrics of today's
music. The messages are clear because we all know the story.

In fact, people today recognize the name "Jonestown" more than any
other event, a full 98% of the population.[1] The television and
printed media were filled with the news for more than a year, even
though the tale read like something from the National Enquirer
tabloid. But despite all the coverage, the reality of Jonestown
and the reasons behind the bizarre events remain a mystery. The
details have faded from memory for most of us since November 18,
1978, but not the outlines. Think back a moment and you'll
remember.


You Know the Official Version

A fanatic religious leader in California led a multiracial
community into the jungles of remote Guyana to establish a
socialist utopia. The People's Temple, his church, was in the
heart of San Francisco and drew poor people, social activists,
Blacks and Hispanics, young and old. The message was racial
harmony and justice, and criticism of the hypocrisy of the world
around his followers.[2]

The Temple rose in a vacuum of leadership at the end of an era.
The political confrontations of the 60s were almost over, and
religious cults and "personal transformation" were on the rise.
Those who had preached a similar message on the political soap box
were gone, burnt out, discredited, or dead. The counter-culture
had apparently degenerated into drugs and violence. Charlie Manson
was the only visible image of the period. Suddenly, religion
seemed to offer a last hope.[3]

Even before they left for the Jonestown site, the People's Temple
members were subjects of local scandal in the news.[4] Jim Jones
claimed these exposés were attacks on their newly-found religion,
and used them as an excuse to move most of the members to
Guyana.[5] But disturbing reports continued to surround Jones, and
soon came to the attention of congressional members like Leo Ryan.
Stories of beatings, kidnapping, sexual abuse and mysterious
deaths leaked out in the press.[6] Ryan decided to go to Guyana
and investigate the situation for himself. The nightmare began.[7]

Isolated on the tiny airstrip at Port Kaituma, Ryan and several
reporters in his group were murdered. Then came the almost
unbelievable "White Night," a mass suicide pact of the Jonestown
camp. A community made up mostly of Blacks and women drank cyanide
from paper cups of Kool-Aid, adults and children alike died and
fell around the main pavilion. Jones himself was shot in the head,
an apparent suicide. For days, the body count mounted, from 400 to
nearly 1,000. The bodies were flown to the United States and later
cremated or buried in mass graves.[8]

Temple member Larry Layton is still facing charges of conspiracy
in Ryan's murder. Ryan was recently awarded a posthumous Medal of
Honor, and was the first Congress member to die in the line of
duty.[9]

Pete Hammill called the corpses "all the loose change of the
sixties."[10] The effect was electric. Any alternative to the
current system was seen as futile, if not deadly. Protest only led
to police riots and political assassination. Alternative life
styles and drugs led to "creepy-crawly" communes and violent
murders.[11] And religious experiments led to cults and suicide.
Social utopias were dreams that turned into nightmares. The
television urged us to go back to "The Happy Days" of the
apolitical 50s. The message was, get a job, and go back to
church.[12] The unyielding nuclear threat generated only nihilism
and hopelessness. There was no answer but death, no exit from the
grisly future. The new ethic was personal success, aerobics,
material consumption, a return to "American values," and the
"moral majority" white Christian world. The official message was
clear.


But Just Suppose It
Didn't Happen That Way...

The headlines the day of the massacre read: "Cult Dies in South
American Jungle: 400 Die in Mass Suicide, 700 Flee into
Jungle."[13] By all accounts in the press, as well as People's
Temple statements there were at least 1,100 people at
Jonestown.[14] There were 809 adult passports found there, and
reports of 300 children (276 found among the dead, and 210 never
identified). The headline figures from the first day add to the
same number: 1,100.[15] The original body count done by the
Guyanese was 408, and this figure was initially agreed to by U.S.
Army authorities on site.[16] However, over the next few days, the
total of reported dead began to rise quickly. The Army made a
series of misleading and openly false statements about the
discrepancy. The new total, which was the official final count,
was given almost a week later by American authorities as 913.[17]
A total of 16 survivors were reported to have returned to the
U.S.[18] Where were the others?

At their first press conference, the Americans claimed that the
Guyanese "could not count." These local people had carried out the
gruesome job of counting the bodies, and later assisted American
troops in the process of poking holes in the flesh lest they
explode from the gasses of decay.[19] Then the Americans proposed
another theory -- they had missed seeing a pile of bodies at the
back of the pavilion. The structure was the size of a small house,
and they had been at the scene for days. Finally, we were given
the official reason for the discrepancy -- bodies had fallen on
top of other bodies, adults covering children.[20]

It was a simple, if morbid, arithmetic that led to the first
suspicions. The 408 bodies discovered at first count would have to
be able to cover 505 bodies for a total of 913. In addition, those
who first worked on the bodies would have been unlikely to miss
bodies lying beneath each other since each body had to be
punctured. Eighty-two of the bodies first found were those of
children, reducing the number that could have been hidden below
others.[21] A search of nearly 150 photographs, aerial and
close-up, fails to show even one body lying under another, much
less 500.[22]

It seemed the first reports were true, 400 had died, and 700 had
fled to the jungle. The American authorities claimed to have
searched for people who had escaped, but found no evidence of any
in the surrounding area.[23] At least a hundred Guyanese troops
were among the first to arrive, and they were ordered to search
the jungle for survivors.[24] In the area, at the same time,
British Black Watch troops were on "training exercises," with
nearly 600 of their best-trained commandos. Soon, American Green
Berets were on site as well.[25] The presence of these soldiers,
specially trained in covert killing operations, may explain the
increasing numbers of bodies that appeared.

Most of the photographs show the bodies in neat rows, face down.
There are few exceptions. Close shots indicate drag marks, as
though the bodies were positioned by someone after death.[26] Is
it possible that the 700 who fled were rounded up by these troops,
brought back to Jonestown and added to the body count?[27]

If so, the bodies would indicate the cause of death. A new word
was coined by the media, "suicide-murder." But which was it?[28]
Autopsies and forensic science are a developing art. The
detectives of death use a variety of scientific methods and clues
to determine how people die, when they expire, and the specific
cause of death. Dr. Mootoo, the top Guyanese pathologist, was at
Jonestown within hours after the massacre. Refusing the assistance
of U.S. pathologists, he accompanied the teams that counted the
dead, examined the bodies, and worked to identify the deceased.
While the American press screamed about the "Kool-Aid Suicides,"
Dr. Mootoo was reaching a much different opinion.[29]

There are certain signs that show the types of poisons that lead
to the end of life. Cyanide blocks the messages from the brain to
the muscles by changing body chemistry in the central nervous
system. Even the "involuntary" functions like breathing and
heartbeat get mixed neural signals. It is a painful death, breath
coming in spurts. The other muscles spasm, limbs twist and
contort. The facial muscles draw back into a deadly grin, called
"cyanide rictus."[30] All these telling signs were absent in the
Jonestown dead. Limbs were limp and relaxed, and the few visible
faces showed no sign of distortion.[31]

Instead, Dr. Mootoo found fresh needle marks at the back of the
left shoulder blades of 80-90% of the victims.[32] Others had been
shot or strangled. One survivor reported that those who resisted
were forced by armed guards.[33] The gun that reportedly shot Jim
Jones was lying nearly 200 feet from his body, not a likely
suicide weapon.[34] As Chief Medical Examiner, Mootoo's testimony
to the Guyanese grand jury investigating Jonestown led to their
conclusion that all but three of the people were murdered by
"persons unknown." Only two had committed suicide they said.[35]
Several pictures show the gun-shot wounds on the bodies as
well.[36] The U.S. Army spokesman, Lt. Col. Schuler, said, "No
autopsies are needed. The cause of death is not an issue here."
The forensic doctors who later did autopsies at Dover, Delaware,
were never made aware of Dr. Mootoo's findings.[37]

There are other indications that the Guyanese government
participated with American authorities in a cover-up of the real
story, despite their own findings. One good example was Guyanese
Police Chief Lloyd Barker, who interfered with investigations,
helped "recover" 2.5 million for the Guyanese government, and was
often the first to officially announce the cover stories relating
to suicide, body counts and survivors.[38] Among the first to the
scene were the wife of Guyanese Prime Minister Forbes Burnham and
his Deputy Prime Minister, Ptolemy Reid. They returned from the
massacre site with nearly $1 million in cash, gold and jewelry
taken from the buildings and from the dead. Inexplicably, one of
Burnham's political party secretaries had visited the site of the
massacre only hours before it occurred.[39] When Shirley Field
Ridley, Guyanese Minister of Information, announced the change in
the body count to the shocked Guyanese parliament, she refused to
answer further questions. Other representatives began to point a
finger of shame at Ridley and the Burnham government, and the
local press dubbed the scandal "Templegate." All accused them of
taking a ghoulish payoff.[40]

Perhaps more significantly, the Americans brought in 16 huge C-131
cargo planes, but claimed they could only carry 36 caskets in each
one. These aircraft can carry tanks, trucks, troops and ammunition
all in one load.[41] At the scene, bodies were stripped of
identification, including the medical wrist tags visible in many
early photos.[42] Dust-off operations during Vietnam clearly
demonstrated that the military is capable of moving hundreds of
bodies in a short period.[43] Instead, they took nearly a week to
bring back the Jonestown dead, bringing in the majority at the end
of the period.[44] The corpses, rotting in the heat, made autopsy
impossible.[45] At one point, the remains of 183 people arrived in
82 caskets. Although the Guyanese had identified 174 bodies at the
site, only 17 (later 46) were tentatively identified at the
massive military mortuary in Dover, Delaware.[46]

Isolated there, hundreds of miles from their families who might
have visited the bodies at a similar mortuary in Oakland that was
used during Vietnam, many of the dead were eventually
cremated.[47] Press was excluded, and even family members had
difficulty getting access to the remains.[48] Officials in New
Jersey began to complain that state coroners were excluded, and
that the military coroners appointed were illegally performing
cremations.[49] One of the top forensic body identification
experts, who later was brought in to work on the Iranian raid
casualties, was denied repeated requests to assist.[50] In
December, the President of the National Association of Medical
Examiners complained in an open letter to the U.S. military that
they "badly botched" procedures, and that a simple fluid autopsy
was never performed at the point of discovery. Decomposition,
embalming and cremation made further forensic work impossible.[51]
The unorthodox method of identification attempted, to remove the
skin from the finger tip and slip it over a gloved finger, would
not have stood up in court.[52]

The long delay made it impossible to reconstruct the event. As
noted, these military doctors were unaware of Dr. Mootoo's
conclusions. Several civilian pathology experts said they
"shuddered at the ineptness" of the military, and that their
autopsy method was "doing it backwards." But in official
statements, the U.S. attempted to discredit the Guyanese grand
jury findings, saying they had uncovered "few facts."[53]

Guyanese troops, and police who had arrived with American Embassy
official Richard Dwyer, also failed to defend Congressman Leo Ryan
and others who came to Guyana with him when they were shot down in
cold blood at the Port Kaituma airstrip, even though the troops
were nearby with machine guns at the ready.[54] Although Temple
member Larry Layton has been charged with the murders of
Congressman Ryan, Temple defector Patricia Parks, and press
reporters Greg Robinson, Don Harris and Bob Brown, he was not in a
position to shoot them.[55] Blocked from boarding Ryan's twin
engine Otter, he had entered another plane nearby. Once inside, he
pulled out a gun and wounded two Temple followers, before being
disarmed.[56] The others were clearly killed by armed men who
descended from a tractor trailer at the scene, after opening fire.
Witnesses described them as "zombies," walking mechanically,
without emotion, and "looking through you, not at you" as they
murdered.[57] Only certain people were killed, and the selection
was clearly planned. Certain wounded people, like Ryan's aide
Jackie Speiers, were not harmed further, but the killers made sure
that Ryan and the newsmen were dead. In some cases they shot
people, already wounded, directly in the head.[58] These gunmen
were never finally identified, and may have been under Layton's
command. They may not have been among the Jonestown dead.[59]

At the Jonestown site, survivors described a special group of
Jones' followers who were allowed to carry weapons and money, and
to come and go from the camp. These people were all white, mostly
males.[60] They ate better and worked less than the others, and
they served as an armed guard to enforce discipline, control labor
and restrict movement.[61] Among them were Jones' top lieutenants,
including George Phillip Blakey. Blakey and others regularly
visited Georgetown, Guyana and made trips in their sea-going boat,
the Cudjoe. He was privileged to be aboard the boat when the
murders occurred.[62] This special armed guard survived the
massacre. Many were trained and programmed killers, like the
"zombies" who attacked Ryan. Some were used as mercenaries in
Africa, and elsewhere.[63] The dead were 90% women, and 80%
Blacks.[64] It is unlikely that men armed with guns and modern
crossbows would give up control and willingly be injected with
poisons. It is much more likely that they forced nearly 400 people
to die by injection, and then assisted in the murder of 500 more
who attempted to escape. One survivor clearly heard people
cheering 45 minutes after the massacre. Despite government claims,
they are not accounted for, nor is their location known.[65]

Back in California, People's Temple members openly admitted that
they feared they were targeted by a "hit squad," and the Temple
was surrounded for some time by local police forces.[66] During
that period, two members of the elite guard from Jonestown
returned and were allowed into the Temple by police.[67] The
survivors who rode to Port Kaituma with Leo Ryan complained when
Larry Layton boarded the truck, "He's not one of us."[68] Rumors
also persisted that a "death list" of U.S. officials existed, and
some survivors verified in testimony to the San Francisco grand
jury.[69] A congressional aide was quoted in the AP wires on May
19, 1979, "There are 120 white, brainwashed assassins out from
Jonestown awaiting the trigger word to pick up their hit."[70]

Other survivors included Mark Lane and Charles Garry, lawyers for
People's Temple who managed to escape the massacre somehow.[71] In
addition to the 16 who officially returned with the Ryan party,
others managed to reach Georgetown and come back home.[72]
However, there have been continuing suspicious murders of those
people here. Jeannie and Al Mills, who intended to write a book
about Jones, were murdered at home, bound and shot.[73] Some
evidence indicates a connection between the Jonestown operation
and the murders of Mayor Moscone and Harvey Milk by police agent
Dan White.[74] Another Jonestown survivor was shot near his home
in Detroit by unidentified killers.[75] Yet another was involved
in a mass murder of school children in Los Angeles.[76] Anyone who
survived such massive slaughter must be somewhat suspect. The fact
that the press never even spoke about nearly 200 survivors raises
serious doubts.


Who Was Jim Jones?

In order to understand the strange events surrounding Jonestown,
we must begin with a history of the people involved. The official
story of a religious fanatic and his idealist followers doesn't
make sense in light of the evidence of murders, armed killers and
autopsy cover-ups. If it happened the way we were told, there
should be no reason to try to hide the facts from the public, and
full investigation into the deaths at Jonestown, and the murder of
Leo Ryan would have been welcomed. What did happen is something
else again.

Jim Jones grew up in Lynn, in southern Indiana. His father was an
active member of the local Ku Klux Klan that infest that area.[77]
His friends found him a little strange, and he was interested in
preaching the Bible and religious rituals.[78] Perhaps more
important was his boyhood friendship with Dan Mitrione, confirmed
by local residents.[79] In the early 50s, Jones set out to be a
religious minister, and was ordained at one point by a Christian
denomination in Indianapolis.[80] It was during this period that
he met and married his lifelong mate, Marceline.[81] He also had a
small business selling monkeys, purchased from the research
department at Indiana State University in Bloomington.[82]

A Bible-thumper and faith healer, Jones put on revivalist tent
shows in the area, and worked close to Richmond, Indiana.
Mitrione, his friend, worked as chief of police there, and kept
him from being arrested or run out of town.[83] According to those
close to him, he used wet chicken livers as evidence of "cancers"
he was removing by "divine powers."[84] His landlady called him "a
gangster who used a Bible instead of a gun."[85] His church
followers included Charles Beikman, a Green Beret who was to stay
with him to the end.[86] Beikman was later charged with the
murders of several Temple members in Georgetown, following the
massacre.[87]

Dan Mitrione, Jones' friend, moved on to the CIA-financed
International Police Academy, where police were trained in
counter-insurgency and torture techniques from around the
world.[88] Jones, a poor, itinerant preacher, suddenly had money
in 1961 for a trip to "minister" in Brazil, and he took his family
with him.[89] By this time, he had "adopted" Beikman, and eight
children, both Black and white.[90] His neighbors in Brazil
distrusted him. He told them he worked with U.S. Navy
Intelligence. His transportation and groceries were being provided
by the U.S. Embassy as was the large house he lived in.[91] His
son, Stephan, commented that he made regular trips to Belo
Horizonte, site of the CIA headquarters in Brazil.[92] An American
police advisor, working closely with the CIA at that point, Dan
Mitrione was there as well.[93] Mitrione had risen in the ranks
quickly, and was busy training foreign police in torture and
assassination methods. He was later kidnapped by Tupermaro
guerillas in Uruguay, interrogated and murdered.[94] Costa Gravas
made a film about his death titled State of Siege.[95] Jones
returned to the United States in 1963, with $10,000 in his
pocket.[96] Recent articles indicate that Catholic clergy are
complaining about CIA funding of other denominations for
"ministry" in Brazil; perhaps Jones was an early example.[97]

With his new wealth, Jones was able to travel to California and
establish the first People's Temple in Ukiah, California, in 1965.
Guarded by dogs, electric fences and guard towers, he set up Happy
Havens Rest Home.[98] Despite a lack of trained personnel, or
proper licensing, Jones drew in many people at the camp. He had
elderly, prisoners, people from psychiatric institutions, and 150
foster children, often transferred to care at Happy Havens by
court orders.[99] He was contacted there by Christian missionaries
from World Vision, an international evangelical order that had
done espionage work for the CIA in Southeast Asia.[100] He met
"influential" members of the community and was befriended by
Walter Heady, the head of the local chapter of the John Birch
Society.[101] He used the members of his "church" to organize
local voting drives for Richard Nixon's election, and worked
closely with the republican party.[102] He was even appointed
chairman of the county grand jury.[103]

"The Messiah from Ukiah," as he was known then, met and recruited
Timothy Stoen, a Stanford graduate and member of the city DA's
office, and his wife Grace.[104] During this time, the Layton
family, Terri Buford and George Phillip Blakey and other important
members joined the Temple.[105] The camp "doctor," Larry Schacht,
claims Jones got him off drugs and into medical school during this
period.[106] These were not just street urchins. Buford's father
was a Commander for the fleet at the Philadelphia Navy Base for
years.[107] The Laytons were a well-heeled, aristocratic family.
Dr. Layton donated at least a quarter-million dollars to Jones.
His wife son and daughter were all members of the Temple.[108]
George Blakey, who married Debbie Layton, was from a wealthy
British family. He donated $60,000 to pay the lease on the
27,000-acre Guyana site in 1974.[109] Lisa Philips Layton had come
to the U.S. from a rich Hamburg banking family in Germany.[110]
Most of the top lieutenants around Jones were from wealthy,
educated backgrounds, many with connections to the military or
intelligence agencies. These were the people who would set up the
bank accounts, complex legal actions, and financial records that
put people under the Temple's control.[111]

Stoen was able to set up important contacts for Jones as Assistant
DA in San Francisco.[112] Jones changed his image to that of a
liberal.[113] He had spent time studying the preaching methods of
Fr. Divine in Philadelphia, and attempted to use them in a
manipulative way on the streets of San Francisco. Fr. Divine ran a
religious and charitable operation among Philadelphia's poor Black
community.[114] Jones was able to use his followers in an election
once again, this time for Mayor Moscone. Moscone responded in
1976, putting Jones in charge of the city Housing Commission.[115]
In addition, many of his key followers got jobs with the city
Welfare Department and much of the recruitment to the Temple in
San Francisco came from the ranks of these unemployed and
dispossessed people.[116] Jones was introduced to many influential
liberal and radical people there, and entertained or greeted
people ranging from Roslyn Carter to Angela Davis.[117]

The period when Jones began the Temple there marked the end of an
important political decade. Nixon's election had ushered in a
domestic intelligence dead set against the movements for peace,
civil rights and social justice. Names like COINTELPRO, CHAOS, and
OPERATION GARDEN PLOT, or the HOUSTON PLAN made the news following
in the wake of Watergate revelations.[118] Senator Ervin called
the White House plans against dissent "fascistic."[119] These
operations involved the highest levels of military and civilian
intelligence and all levels of police agencies in a full-scale
attempt to discredit, disrupt and destroy the movements that
sprang up in the 1960s. There are indications that these plans, or
the mood they created, led to the assassinations of Martin Luther
King and Malcolm X, as unacceptable "Black Messiahs."[120]

One of the architects under then-Governor Reagan in California was
now-Attorney General Edwin Meese. He coordinated "Operation Garden
Plot" for military intelligence and all police operations and
intelligence in a period that was plagued with violations of civil
and constitutional rights.[121] Perhaps you recall the police
attacks on People's Park, the murder of many Black Panthers and
activists, the infiltration of the Free Speech Movement and
antiwar activity, and the experimentation on prisoners at
Vacaville, or the shooting of George Jackson.[122] Meese later
bragged that this activity had damaged or destroyed the people he
called "revolutionaries."[123] It was into this situation Jones
came to usurp leadership.[124]

After his arrival in Ukiah, his methods were visible to those who
took the time to investigate.[125] His armed guards wore black
uniforms and leather jackboots. His approach was one of deception,
and if that wore off, then manipulation and threats. Loyalty to
his church included signing blank sheets of paper, later filled in
with "confessions' and used for blackmail purposes, or to extort
funds.[126] Yet the vast membership he was extorting often owned
little, and he tried to milk them for everything, from personal
funds to land deeds.[127] Illegal activities were regularly
reported during this period, but either not investigated or
unresolved. He clearly had the cooperation of local police. Years
later, evidence would come out of charges of sexual solicitation,
mysteriously dropped.[128]

Those who sought to leave were prevented and rebuked. Local
journalist Kathy Hunter wrote in the Ukiah press about "Seven
Mysterious Deaths" of the Temple members who had argued with Jones
and attempted to leave. One of these was Maxine Swaney.[129] Jones
openly hinted to other members that he had arranged for them to
die, threatening a similar fate to others who would be
disloyal.[130] Kathy Hunter later tried to visit Jonestown, only
to be forcibly drugged by Temple guards, and deported to
Georgetown.[131] She later charged that Mark Lane approached her,
falsely identifying himself as a reporter for Esquire, rather than
as an attorney for Jim Jones. He led her to believe he was seeking
information on Jones for an exposé in the magazine, and asked to
see her evidence.

The pattern was to continue in San Francisco. In addition, Jones
required that members practice for the mysterious "White Night," a
mass suicide ritual that would protect them from murder at the
hands of their enemies.[132] Although the new Temple had no guards
or fences to restrict members, few had other places to live, and
many had given over all they owned to Jones. They felt trapped
inside this community that preached love, but practiced
hatred.[133]

Following press exposure, and a critical article in New West
magazine, Jones became very agitated, and the number of suicide
drills increased.[134] Complaints about mistreatment by current
and ex-members began to appear in the media and reach the ears of
congressional representatives. Sam Houston, an old friend of Leo
Ryan, came to him with questions about the untimely death of his
son following his departure from the Temple.[135] Later, Timothy
and Grace Stoen would complain to Ryan about custody of their
young son, who was living with Jones, and urge him to visit the
commune.[136] Against advice of friends and staff members, Ryan
decided to take a team of journalists to Guyana and seek the truth
of the situation.[137] Some feel that Ryan's journey there was
planned and expected, and used as a convenient excuse to set up
his murder. Others feel that this unexpected violation of secrecy
around Jonestown set off the spark that led to the mass murder. In
either case, it marked the beginning of the end for Ryan and
Jones.[138]

At one point, to show his powers, Jones arranged to be shot in the
heart in front of the congregation. Dragged to a back room,
apparently wounded and bleeding, he returned a moment later alive
and well. While this may have been more of his stage antics to
prompt believers' faith it may also have marked the end of Jim
Jones.[139] For undisclosed reasons, Jones had and used
"doubles."[140] This is very unusual for a religious leader, but
quite common in intelligence operations.[141]

Even the death and identification of Jim Jones were peculiar. He
was apparently shot by another person at the camp.[142] Photos of
his body do not show identifying tattoos on his chest. The body
and face are not clearly recognizable due to bloating and
discoloration.[143] The FBI reportedly checked his fingerprints
twice, a seemingly futile gesture since it is a precise operation.
A more logical route would have been to check dental records.[144]
Several researchers familiar with the case feel that the body may
not have been Jones. Even if the person at the site was one of the
"doubles," it does not mean Jones is still alive. He may have been
killed at an earlier point.


What Was Jonestown?

According to one story, Jones was seeking a place on earth that
would survive the effects of nuclear war, relying only on an
article in Esquire magazine for his list.[145] The real reason for
his locations in Brazil, California, Guyana and elsewhere deserve
more scrutiny.[146] At one point Jones wanted to set up in
Grenada, and he invited then-Prime Minister Sir Eric Gairy to
visit the Temple in San Francisco.[147] He invested $200,000 in
the Grenada National Bank in 1977 to pave the way, and some
$76,000 was still there after the massacre.[148]

His final choice, the Matthew's Ridge section in Guyana is an
interesting one. It was originally the site of a Union Carbide
bauxite and manganese mine, and Jones used the dock they left
behind.[149] At an earlier point, it had been one of seven
possible sites chosen for the relocation of the Jews after World
War II.[150] Plans to inhabit the jungles of Guyana's interior
with cheap labor date back to 1919.[151] Resources buried there
are among the richest in the world, and include manganese,
diamonds, gold, bauxite and uranium.[152] Forbes Burnham, the
Prime Minister, had participated in a scheme to repatriate Blacks
from the UK to work in the area. Like all earlier attempts, it
failed.[153]

Once chosen, the site was leased and worked on by a select crew of
Temple members in preparation for the arrival of the body of the
church. The work was done in cooperation with Burnham and the U.S.
Embassy there.[154] But if these were idealists seeking a better
life, their arrival in "Utopia" was a strange welcome. Piled into
busses in San Francisco, they had driven to Florida. From there,
Pan American charter planes delivered them to Guyana.[155] When
they arrived at the airport, the Blacks were taken off the plane,
bound and gagged.[156] The deception had finally been stripped
bare of all pretense. The Blacks were so isolated and controlled
that neighbors as close as five miles from the site did not know
that Blacks lived at Jonestown. The only public representatives
seen in Guyana were white.[157] Guyanese children were "bought"
also.[158]

According to survivors' reports, they entered a virtual slave
labor camp. Worked for 16 to 18 hours daily, they were forced to
live in cramped quarters on minimum rations, usually rice, bread
and sometimes rancid meat. Kept on a schedule of physical and
mental exhaustion, they were also forced to stay awake at night
and listen to lectures by Jones. Threats and abuse became more
common.[159] The camp medical staff under Dr. Lawrence Schacht was
known to perform painful suturing without anaesthetic. They
administered drugs, and kept daily medical records.[160]
Infractions of the rules or disloyalty led to increasingly harsh
punishments, including forced drugging, sensory isolation in an
underground box, physical torture and public sexual rape and
humiliation. Beatings and verbal abuse were commonplace. Only the
special guards were treated humanely and fed decently.[161] People
with serious injuries were flown out, but few ever returned.[162]
Perhaps the motto at Jonestown should have been the same as the
one at Auschwitz, developed by Larry Schacht's namesake, Dr.
Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi Minister of Economics, "Arheit Macht
Frei," or "Work Will Make You Free." Guyana even considered
setting up an "Auschwitz-like museum" at the site, but abandoned
the idea.[163]

By this point, Jones had amassed incredible wealth. Press
estimates ranged from $26 million to $2 billion, including bank
accounts, foreign investments and real estate. Accounts were set
up worldwide by key members, often in the personal name of certain
people in the Temple.[164] Much of this money, listed publicly
after the massacre, disappeared mysteriously. It was a fortune far
too large to have come from membership alone. The receivership set
up by the government settled on a total of $10 million. Of special
interest were the Swiss bank accounts opened in Panama, the money
taken from the camp, and the extensive investments in Barclay's
Bank.[165] Other sources of income included the German banking
family of Lisa Philips Layton, Larry's mother.[166] Also, close to
$65,000 a month income was claimed to come from welfare and social
security checks for 199 members, sent to the Temple followers and
signed over to Jones.[167] In addition, there are indications that
Blakey and other members were supplementing the Temple funds with
international smuggling of guns and drugs.[168] At one point,
Charles Garry noted that Jones and his community were "literally
sitting on a gold mine." Mineral distribution maps of Guyana
suggest he was right.[169]

To comprehend this well-financed, sinister operation, we must
abandon the myth that this was a religious commune and study
instead the history that led to its formation. Jonestown was an
experiment, part of a 30-year program called MK-ULTRA, the CIA and
military intelligence code name for mind control.[170] A close
study of Senator Ervin's 1974 report, Individual Rights and the
Government's Role in Behavior Modification, shows that these
agencies had certain "target populations" in mind, for both
individual and mass control. Blacks, women, prisoners, the
elderly, the young, and inmates of psychiatric wards were selected
as "potentially violent."[171] There were plans in California at
the time for a Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence,
expanding on the horrific work of Dr. José Delgado, Drs. Mark and
Ervin, and Dr. Jolly West, experts in implantation, psychosurgery,
and tranquilizers. The guinea pigs were to be drawn from the ranks
of the "target populations," and taken to an isolated military
missile base in California.[172] In that same period, Jones began
to move his Temple members to Jonestown. The were the exact
population selected for such tests.[173]

The meticulous daily notes and drug records kept by Larry Schacht
disappeared, but evidence did not.[174] The history of MK-ULTRA
and its sister programs (MK-DELTA, ARTICHOKE, BLUEBIRD, etc.)
records a combination of drugs, drug mixtures, electroshock and
torture as methods for control. The desired results ranged from
temporary and permanent amnesia, uninhibited confessions, and
creation of second personalities, to programmed assassins and
preconditioned suicidal urges. One goal was the ability to control
mass populations, especially for cheap labor.[175] Dr. Delgado
told Congress that he hoped for a future where a technology would
control workers in the field and troops at war with electronic
remote signals. He found it hard to understand why people would
complain about electrodes implanted in their brains to make them
"both happy and productive."[176]

On the scene at Jonestown, Guyanese troops discovered a large
cache of drugs, enough to drug the entire population of
Georgetown, Guyana (well over 200,000)[177] for more than a year.
According to survivors, these were being used regularly "to
control" a population of only 1,100 people.[178] One footlocker
contained 11,000 doses of thorazine, a dangerous tranquilizer.
Drugs used in the testing for MK-ULTRA were found in abundance,
including sodium pentathol (a truth serum), chloral hydrate (a
hypnotic), demerol, thalium (confuses thinking), and many
others.[179] Schacht had supplies of haliopareael and largatil as
well, two other major tranquilizers.[180] The actual description
of life at Jonestown is that of a tightly run concentration camp,
complete with medical and psychiatric experimentation. The
stresses and isolation of the victims is typical of sophisticated
brainwashing techniques. The drugs and special tortures add an
additional experimental aspect to the horror.[181] This more
clearly explains the medical tags on the bodies, and why they had
to be removed. It also suggests an additional motive for
frustrating any chemical autopsies, since these drugs would have
been found in the system of the dead.

The story of Jonestown is that of a gruesome experiment, not a
religious utopian society. On the eve of the massacre, Forbes
Burnham was reportedly converted to "born again" Christianity by
members of the Full Gospel Christian Businessman's Association,
including Lionel Luckhoo, a Temple lawyer in Guyana.[182] This
same group, based in California, also reportedly converted
Guatemalan dictator Rios Montt prior to his massacres there and
they were in touch with Jim Jones in Ukiah.[183] They currently
conduct the White House prayer breakfasts for Mr. Reagan.[184]
With Ryan on his way to Jonestown, the seal of secrecy was broken.
In a desperate attempt to test their conditioning methods, the
Jonestown elite apparently tried to implement a real suicide
drill.[185] Clearly, it led to a revolt, and the majority of
people fled, unaware that there were people waiting to catch them.


One Too Many Jonestowns

Author Don Freed, an associate of Mark Lane, said that Martin
Luther King, "if he could see Johnstown would recognize it as the
next step in his agenda, and he would say, one, two, three, many
more Jonestowns."[186] Strangely enough, almost every map of
Guyana in the major press located Jonestown at a different place
following the killings. One map even shows a second site in the
area called "Johnstown."[187] Perhaps there were multiple camps
and Leo Ryan was only shown the one they hoped he would see. In
any case, the Jonestown model survives, and similar camps, and
their sinister designs, show up in many places.

Inside Guyana itself, approximately 25 miles to the south of
Matthews Ridge, is a community called Hilltown, named after
religious leader Rabbi Hill. Hill has used the names Abraham
Israel and Rabbi Emmanuel Washington. Hilltown, set up about the
same time as Jonestown, followed the departure of David Hill, who
was known in Cleveland, a fugitive of the U.S. courts. Hill rules
with an "iron fist" over some 8,000 Black people from Guyana and
America who believe they are the Lost Tribe of Israel and the real
Hebrews of Biblical prophecy.[188] Used as strong-arm troops, and
"internal mercenaries" to insure Burnham's election, as were
Jonestown members, the Hilltown people were allowed to clear the
Jonestown site of shoes and unused weapons, both in short supply
in Guyana.[189] Hill says his followers would gladly kill
themselves at his command, but he would survive since, unlike
Jones, he is "in control."[190]

Similar camps were reported at the time in the Philippines.
Perhaps the best known example is the fascist torture camp in
Chile known as Colonia Dignidad. Also a religious cult built
around a single individual, this one came from Germany to Chile in
1961. In both cases, the camp was their "Agricultural Experiment."
Sealed and protected by the dreaded Chilean DINA police, Colonia
Dignidad serves as a torture chamber for political dissidents. To
the Jonestown monstrosities, they have added dogs specially
trained to attack human genitals.[191] The operations there have
included the heavy hand of decapitation specialist Michael Townley
Welch, an American CIA agent, as well as reported visits by Nazi
war criminals Dr. Josef Mengele and Martin Bormann. Currently,
another such campsite exists at Pisagua, Chile.[192] Temple member
Jeannie Mills, now dead, reported having seen actual films of a
Chilean torture camp while at Jonestown. The only source possible
at the time was the Chilean fascists themselves.[193]

In the current period, Jonestown is being "repopulated" with
100,000 Laotian Hmong people. Many of them grew opium for CIA
money in Southeast Asia. Over 1,000 reside there already under a
scheme designed by Billy Graham's nephew Ernest, and members of
the Federation of Evangelical Ministries Association in Wheaton,
Illinois (World Vision, World Medical Relief, Samaritan's Purse,
and Carl McIntyre's International Council of Christian
Churches).[194] Similar plans devised by the Peace Corps included
moving inner-city Blacks from America to Jamaica, and other Third
World countries. And World Relief attempted to move the population
of the Island of Dominica to Jonestown.[195] It is only a matter
of time before another Jonestown will be exposed, perhaps leading
again to massive slaughter.


The Links to U.S. Intelligence Agencies

Our story so far has hinted at connections to U.S. intelligence,
such as the long-term friendship of Jones and CIA associate Dan
Mitrione. But the ties are much more direct when a full picture of
the operation is revealed. To start with, the history of Forbes
Burnham's rise to power in Guyana is fraught with the clear
implication of a CIA coup d'état to oust troublesome independent
leader Cheddi Jagan.[196] In addition, the press and other
evidence indicated the presence of a CIA agent on the scene at the
time of the massacre. This man, Richard Dwyer, was working as
Deputy Chief of Mission for the U.S. Embassy in Guyana.[197]
Identified in Who's Who in the CIA, he has been involved since
1959, and was last stationed in Martinique.[198] Present at the
camp site and the airport strip, his accounts were used by the
State Department to confirm the death of Leo Ryan. At the
massacre, Jones said, "Get Dwyer out of here" just before the
killings began.[199]

Other Embassy personnel, who knew the situation at Jonestown well,
were also connected to intelligence work. U.S. Ambassador John
Burke, who served in the CIA with Dwyer in Thailand, was an
Embassy official described by Philip Agee as working for the CIA
since 1963. A Reagan appointee to the CIA, he is still employed by
the Agency, usually on State Department assignments.[200] Burke
tried to stop Ryan's investigation.[201] Also at the Embassy was
Chief Consular officer Richard McCoy, described as "close to
Jones," who worked for military intelligence and was "on loan"
from the Defense Department at the time of the massacre.[202]
According to a standard source, "The U.S. embassy in Georgetown
housed the Georgetown CIA station. It now appears that the
majority and perhaps all of the embassy officials were CIA
officers operating under State Department covers . . ."[203] Dan
Webber, who was sent to the site of the massacre the day after,
was also named as CIA.[204] Not only did the State Department
conceal all reports of violations at Jonestown from Congressman
Leo Ryan, but the Embassy regularly provided Jones with copies of
all congressional inquiries under the Freedom of Information
Act.[205]

Ryan had challenged the Agency's overseas operations before, as a
member of the House Committee responsible for oversight on
intelligence. He was an author of the controversial Hughes-Ryan
Amendment that would have required CIA disclosure in advance to
the congressional committees of all planned covert operations. The
Amendment was defeated shortly after his death.[206]

American intelligence agencies have a sordid history of
cooperative relations with Nazi war criminals and international
fascism.[207] In light of this, consider the curious ties of the
family members of the top lieutenants to Jim Jones. The Layton
family is one example. Dr. Laurence Layton was Chief of Chemical
and Biological Warfare Research at Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah,
for many years, and later worked as Director of Missile and
Satellite Development at the Navy Propellant Division, Indian
Head, Maryland.[208] His wife, Lisa, had come from a rich German
family. Her father, Hugo, had represented I.G. Farben as a
stockbroker.[209] Her stories about hiding her Jewish past from
her children for most of her life, and her parents' escape from a
train heading for a Nazi concentration camp seem shallow, as do
Dr. Layton's Quaker religious beliefs. The same family sent money
to Jonestown regularly.[210] Their daughter, Debbie, met and
married George Philip Blakey in an exclusive private school in
England. Blakey's parents have extensive stock holdings in Solvay
drugs, a division of the Nazi cartel I.G. Farben.[211] He also
contributed financially.[212]

Terri Buford's father, Admiral Charles T. Buford, worked with Navy
Intelligence.[213] In addition, Blakey was reportedly running
mercenaries from Jonestown to CIA-backed UNITA forces in
Angola.[214] Maria Katsaris' father was a minister with the Greek
Orthodox Church, a common conduit of CIA fundings, and Maris
claimed she had proof he was CIA. She was shot in the head, and
her death was ruled a suicide, but at one point Charles Beikman
was charged with killing her.[215] On their return to the United
States, the "official" survivors were represented by attorney
Joseph Blatchford who had been named prior to that time in a
scandal involving CIA infiltration of the Peace Corps.[216] Almost
everywhere you look at Jonestown, U.S. intelligence and fascism
rear their ugly heads.

The connection of intelligence agencies to cults is nothing new. A
simple but revealing example is the Unification Church, tied to
both the Korean CIA (i.e., American CIA in Korea), and the
international fascist network known as the World Anti-Communist
League (WACL). The Moonies hosted WACL's first international
conference.[217] What distinguished Jonestown was both the level
of control and the openly sinister involvement. It was imperative
that they cover their tracks.[218]

Maria Katsaris sent Michael Prokes, Tim Carter, and another guard
out at the last minute with $500,000 cash in a suitcase, and
instructions for a drop point. Her note inside suggests the funds
were destined for the Soviet Union.[219] Prokes later shot himself
at a San Francisco press conference, where he claimed to be an FBI
informant.[220] Others reported meeting with KGB agents and plans
to move to Russia.[221] This disinformation was part of a "red
smear" to be used if they had to abandon the operation. The Soviet
Union had no interest in the money and even less in Jonestown. The
cash was recovered by the Guyanese government.[222]

Their hidden funding may include more intelligence links. A
mysterious account in Panama, totaling nearly $5 million in the
name of an "Associacion Pro Religiosa do San Pedro, S.A." was
located.[223] This unknown Religious Association of St. Peter was
probably one of the twelve phony companies set up by Archbishop
Paul Marcinkus to hide the illegal investments of Vatican funds
through the scandal-ridden Banco Ambrosiano.[224] A few days after
the story broke about the accounts, the President of Panama, and
most of the government resigned, Roberto Calvi of Banco Ambrosiano
was murdered, and the Jonestown account disappeared from public
scrutiny and court record.[225]

The direct orders to cover up the cause of death came from the top
levels of the American government. Zbigniew Brezezinsky delegated
to Robert Pastor, and he in turn ordered Lt. Col. Gordon Sumner to
strip the bodies of identity.[226] Pastor is now Deputy Director
of the CIA.[227] One can only wonder how many others tied to the
Jonestown operation were similarly promoted.


The Strange Connection
to the Murder of Martin Luther King

One of the persistent problems in researching Jonestown is that it
seems to lead to so many other criminal activities, each with its
own complex history and cast of characters. Perhaps the most
disturbing of these is the connection that appears repeatedly
between the characters in the Jonestown story and the key people
involved in the murder and investigating of Martin Luther King.

The first clue to this link appeared in the personal histories of
the members of the Ryan investigation team who were so selectively
and deliberately killed at Port Kaituma. Don Harris, a veteran NBC
reporter, had been the only network newsman on the scene to cover
Martin Luther King's activity in Memphis at the time of King's
assassination. He had interviewed key witnesses at the site. His
coverage of the urban riots that followed won him an Emmy
award.[228] Gregory Robinson, a "fearless" journalist from the San
Francisco Examiner, had photographed the same riots in Washington,
D.C. When he was approached for copies of the films by Justice
Department officials, he threw the negatives into the Potomac
river.[229]

The role of Mark Lane, who served as attorney for Jim Jones, is
even more clearly intertwined.[230] Lane had co-authored a book
with Dick Gregory, claiming FBI complicity in the King
murder.[231] He was hired as the attorney for James Earl Ray,
accused assassin, when Ray testified before the House Select
Committee on Assassinations about King.[232] Prior to this
testimony, Ray was involved in an unusual escape plot at Brushy
Mountain State Prison.[233] The prisoner who had helped engineer
the escape plot was later inexplicably offered an early, parole by
members of the Tennessee Governor's office. These officials, and
Governor Blanton himself, were to come under close public scrutiny
and face legal charges in regard to bribes taken to arrange
illegal early pardons for prisoners.[234]

One of the people living at Jonestown was ex-FBI agent Wesley
Swearington, who at least publicly condemned the COINTELPRO
operations and other abuses, based on stolen classified documents,
at the Jonestown site. Lane had reportedly met with him there at
least a year before the massacre. Terri Buford said the documents
were passed on to Charles Garry. Lane used information from
Swearingen in his thesis on the FBI and King's murder. Swearingen
later served as a key witness in suits against the Justice
Department brought by the Socialist Workers Party.[235] When Larry
Flynt, the flamboyant publisher of Hustler magazine, offered a, $1
million reward leading to the capture and conviction of the John
F. Kennedy killers, the long distance number listed to collect
information and leads was being answered by Mark Lane and Wesley
Swearingen.[236]

With help from officials in Tennessee, Governor Blanton's office,
Lane managed to get legal custody of a woman who had been
incarcerated in the Tennessee state psychiatric system for nearly
eight years.[237] This woman, Grace Walden Stephens, had been a
witness in the King murder.[238] She was living at the time in
Memphis in a rooming house across from the hotel when Martin
Luther King was shot.[239] The official version of events had Ray
located in the common bathroom of the rooming house, and claimed
he used a rifle to murder King from that window.[240] Grace
Stephens did, indeed, see a man run from the bathroom, past her
door and down to the street below.[241] A rifle, later linked
circumstantially to James Earl Ray, was found inside a bundle at
the base of the rooming house stairs, and identified as the murder
weapon.[242] But Grace, who saw the man clearly, refused to
identify him as Ray when shown photographs by the FBI.[243] Her
testimony was never introduced at the trial. The FBI relied,
instead, on the word of her common law husband, Charles Stephens,
who was drunk and unconscious at the time of the incident.[244]
Her persistence in saying that it was not James Earl Ray was used
at her mental competency hearings as evidence against her, and she
disappeared into the psychiatric system.[245]

Grace Walden Stephens took up residence in Memphis with Lane, her
custodian, and Terri Buford, a key Temple member who had returned
to the U.S. before the killings to live with Lane.[246] While
arranging for her to testify before the Select Committee on Ray's
behalf, Lane and Buford were plotting another fate for Grace
Stephens. Notes from Buford to Jones, found in the aftermath of
the killings, discussed arrangements with Lane to move Grace
Stephens to Jonestown.[247] The problem that remained was lack of
a passport, but Buford suggested either getting a passport on the
black market, or using the passport of former Temple member Maxine
Swaney.[248] Swaney, dead for nearly 2-1/2 years since her
departure from the Ukiah camp, was in no position to argue and
Jones apparently kept her passport with him.[249] Whether Grace
ever arrived at Jonestown is unclear.

Lane was also forced to leave Ray in the midst of testimony to the
Select Committee when he got word that Ryan was planning to visit.
Lane had attempted to discourage the trip earlier in a vaguely
threatening letter.[250] Now he rushed to be sure he arrived with
the group.[251] At the scene, he failed to warn Ryan and others,
knowing that the sandwiches and other food might be drugged, but
refrained from eating it himself.[252] Later, claiming that he and
Charles Garry would write the official history of the
"revolutionary suicide," Lane was allowed to leave the pieces of
underwear to mark their way back to Georgetown.[253] If true, it
seems an unlikely method if they were in any fear of pursu...
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

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Haven't read that one in many a year....just re-read it again and was as impressed as the first time. Makes one so very proud to be an Amerikan! So much dirty underwear worn right on the heads of our 'leaders', 'movers and shakers', 'intelligence' apparatus etc. that goes unseen by the vast majority of TV and MSM 'blind'. A must read for all on this Forum. Bravo to J. Judge. :congrats:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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I am constantly amazed at how the same names keep coming up in various apparently disparate, unconnected events and places. It is a small world. :burnout:
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:I am constantly amazed at how the same names keep coming up in various apparently disparate, unconnected events and places. It is a small world. :burnout:

Just a coincidence, Magda Confusedhot:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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I met Jim Hougan in person once and have a bit of a 'feel' for who he is. I listened carefully to his talk on BlackOp Radio http://www.blackopradio.com/black479c.ram and find one will get a lot more if you simply take his well-researched evidence and information and hold-back a 'bit' on his 'conclusions'. He errs on the conservative side on the conclusions, but has some dynamite or Semtex information re:Jonestown, if one listens carefully. I found the Dan Mitrione connection to Jim Jones very interesting and disturbing, ditto the destruction by flames of all files in Guyana on Jones; ditto the first news of what had happened at Jonestown coming from the CIA...ditto who was CIA station chief in Guyana at the time.....and on and on....take a close listen for yourself. If one pieces Hougan's info with that of J. Judge one has truely taken in a talk/walk with the Cheshire Cat and Mad Hatter in Alice's Wonderland. Confusedmokin:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Recent interview with Hougan on BlackOpRadio. This show has other great interviews also see the one about Dulles and the one about McCone under the archives. ( I think these are around shows 470?) also see show 419, an incredible interview with Jim Douglass on the MLK assassination) This show with Hougan is on Jonestown. NOTE THAT HOUGAN WILL BE ON BLACKOP RADIO AGAIN ON JULY 1, THIS TIME SPEAKING ABOUT HIS FAMOUS BOOK SECRET AGENDA. Also, if one likes these shows post them around. They are great ways for people to learn a lot of things, even if they don't have enough time to read.

http://www.blackopradio.com/black479a.ram
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You're right Nathaniel. I'd like to do more to publicise Black Op radio as they have such good programmes. Well worth listening to. I'll pin a link to them in the Research Tools and Framing the Discourse threads.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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An Amazing piece by John Judge. I had not ever read it til now. Supposed to be working...but too many interesting things to read here. Lane is one interesting fellow. Wish John Armstrong was on here, I'd be most curious to hear his opinion of Lane in light of this article.

I once sponsered a child via World Vision for about eight months but the information I was receiving was giving me the creep. (This was in 1985). Pictures and info that looked so phony.

The connections...Chapman, Lane, Ray, King's mother...on and on...

It would make total sense that the fake Mrs. Oswald would hire someone with a certain background to defend the memory of her non-son, Harvery.

Dawn
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:An Anazing piece by John Judge. I had not ever read it til now. Supposed to be working...but too many interesting things to read here. Lane is one interesting fellow. Wish John Armstrong was on here, I'd be most curious to hear his opinion of Lane in light of this article.

I once sponsered a child via World Vision for about eight months but the information I was receiving was giving me the creep. (This was in 1985). Pictures and info that looked so phony.

The connections...Chapman, Lane, Ray, King's mother...on and on...

It would make total sense that the fake Mrs. Oswald would hire someone with a certain background to defend the memory of her non-son, Harvery.

Dawn

Dawn - indeed.

But John Judge's ground breaking article has been followed by excellent research from Jim Hougan in particular.

The official history of Jonestown as a mass cult suicide is as blown and busted as the Oswald-shot-JFK cover story.

As discussed in this thread and others, Jim Jones was a manufactured and controlled controller.

He also had a double, a doppelgänger.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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