Strange Timing & Motive In Polanski Arrest

[Peter Lemkin]

"Prodded" her???

I didn't mean it so LITERALLY, Charles!

[Carsten Wiethoff]

Finally. :flowers:

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-wor...t-1.653366

Polanski free, Swiss reject US extradition request

Swiss government declared renowned film director Roman Polanski a free man on Monday after rejecting a US request to extradite him

• AP
  
• Published: 17:08 July 12, 2010
  

• A file photo of Roman Polanski
  
• Image Credit: AP
  

BERN, Switzerland: The Swiss government declared renowned film director Roman Polanski a free man on Monday after rejecting a US request to extradite him on a charge of having sex in 1977 with a 13-year-old girl.
The Swiss mostly blamed US authorities for failing to provide confidential testimony about Polanski's sentencing procedure in 1977-1978.
The stunning decision could end the United States' three-decade pursuit of Polanski, unless he travels to another country that would be willing to apprehend him and weigh sending him to Los Angeles. France, where he has spent much of his time, does not extradite its own citizens, and the public scrutiny over Switzerland's deliberations may dissuade other nations from making such a spectacular arrest.
The Swiss government said it had sought confidential testimony given on Jan. 26 by Roger Gunson, the Los Angeles attorney in charge of the original prosecution against Polanski. Washington rejected the request.

"Mr. Polanski can now move freely. Since 12:30 today he's a free man," Justice Minister Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf declared.
The Oscar-winning director of "Rosemary's Baby," "Chinatown" and "The Pianist" was accused of plying his victim with champagne and part of a Quaalude during a 1977 modeling shoot and raping her. He was initially indicted on six felony counts, including rape by use of drugs, child molesting and sodomy, but pleaded guilty to one count of unlawful sexual intercourse.
In exchange, the judge agreed to drop the remaining charges and sentence him to prison for a 90-day psychiatric evaluation. However, he was released after 42 days by an evaluator who deemed him mentally sound and unlikely to offend again. The judge responded by saying he was going to send Polanski back to jail for the remainder of the 90 days and that afterward he would ask Polanski to agree to a "voluntary deportation." Polanski then fled the country on the eve of his Feb. 1, 1978, sentencing.
Based on references to Gunson's testimony in US courts, the Swiss said it "should prove" that Polanski served his sentence after undergoing 42 days of diagnostic study, the statement said.
"If this were the case, Roman Polanski would actually have already served his sentence and therefore both the proceedings on which the US extradition request is founded and the request itself would have no foundation," the ministry said.
The Justice Ministry also said that national interests were taken into consideration in the decision.
"The 76-year-old French-Polish film director Roman Polanski will not be extradited to the USA," the ministry said in a statement. "The freedom-restricting measures against him have been revoked."
Polanski's lawyer Herve Temime said the director was still at his Swiss chalet in the resort of Gstaad, where he has been held under house arrest since December.
Switzerland's top justice official said he could now leave.
Temime told The Associated Press by telephone from his office in Paris that his client was ready to enjoy his freedom.
"This decision was certainly not expected," Temime said.
He praised Swiss authorities for making the responsible decision.
Approving extradition had seemed the likeliest scenario after Polanski was arrested on Sept. 26 as he arrived in Zurich to receive a lifetime achievement award from a film festival. Polanski had also suffered a series of legal setbacks this year in California courts.
Switzerland handles about 200 extradition requests a year and only about 5 percent are rejected, Widmer-Schlumpf said.
Widmer-Schlumpf said this decision was not meant to excuse Polanski's crime, saying the issue was "not about deciding whether he is guilty or not guilty."
The government said extradition had to be rejected "considering the persisting doubts concerning the presentation of the facts of the case."
Beyond the legal confusion, Polanski's extradition is a complicated and diplomatically sensitive because of Polanski's status as a cultural icon in France and Poland, where he holds dual citizenship, and his history as a Holocaust survivor whose first wife was murdered by crazed followers of cult leader Charles Manson in California.
Widmer-Schlumpf said she informed authorities in the United States, France and Poland, in addition to Polanski's lawyer.

[Peter Lemkin]

Well, a small justice in an unjust world. Good for him; sadly, most who are not so rich and famous don't fair so well.....:bike:

[Jan Klimkowski]

I have no good feelings about this.

Polanski raped and buggered a child, and has somehow managed to portray himself as the victim.

[Carsten Wiethoff]

I have no good feelings about this.

Polanski raped and buggered a child, and has somehow managed to portray himself as the victim.

I kind of understand your lack of good feelings, but you certainly see that this case is much more complex than this. In fact the swiss decision does not concern the question of guilt, P. himself admitted his guilt 33 years ago. The decision, about which I do have good feelings concerns the rejection of a bogus extradition request at a time when all people involved in the original crime have made their peace with it and the sudden interest after all this time certainly does not serve justice, whatever that may be in this case. Would your feelings really be better if P. would have been sent to the US? Why?

[Peter Lemkin]

I have no good feelings about this.

Polanski raped and buggered a child, and has somehow managed to portray himself as the victim.

No one is applauding what he did. He was sentenced and served time for that. There was something very odd indeed about a resentencing. There are MANY complicating factors - not the least of which is the targeting of his wife by an intelligence connected spook. Why the USA would leave this for decades and then suddenly bring it up again is yet another layer of sinister. I also do not trust the American 'justice system' and less so its 'Penal system' at this point. Those inside prison mostly belong out; and those controlling the system mostly belong in it....That the USA refused to explain or even answer Switzerland's questions speaks volumes....that they knew it would not stand up to legal scrutiny [except maybe in the legal vacuum in the USA] and Switzerland did the right thing, I think.....as does the original 'victim'.

[Jan Klimkowski]

I have no good feelings about this.

Polanski raped and buggered a child, and has somehow managed to portray himself as the victim.

I kind of understand your lack of good feelings, but you certainly see that this case is much more complex than this. In fact the swiss decision does not concern the question of guilt, P. himself admitted his guilt 33 years ago. The decision, about which I do have good feelings concerns the rejection of a bogus extradition request at a time when all people involved in the original crime have made their peace with it and the sudden interest after all this time certainly does not serve justice, whatever that may be in this case. Would your feelings really be better if P. would have been sent to the US? Why?

Carsten -Polanski drugged and anally raped a 13-year-old child. I don't know what the appropriate sentence is for that, but Polanski sure as hell didn't serve it.

I've articulated my thoughts on Polanski, and his vicious, sadistic, criminal circle - which included the notorious Bob Evans and lots of spooky characters - in many posts on DPF. Including in this very thread. See eg here:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...stcount=18

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...stcount=28

The timing of the American extradition request was strange. Certainly.

But the notion of Polanski as victim is one I find utterly repugnant.

[Ed Jewett]

Thursday, July 15, 2010

Polanski conspiracy

Why did Pedoland not send Roman back to serve his sentence? Looks like a conspiracy between Pedish authorities and some of the Americans, a conspiracy now described as a 'miscommunication'. From the AP:

"The Swiss government asked the U.S. Justice Department to release sealed transcripts in the Roman Polanski case just days before a Los Angeles judge was told that the Swiss did not request that information, according to a letter from Swiss officials that points to apparent miscommunication in the case."

Note that this first paragraph is completely confusing, possibly intentionally so. It confuses two separate proceedings, one brought by Roman's lawyers before a Los Angeles judge, and the other being the extradition, which was between the Pedoland Government and the U. S. Justice Department. The Los Angeles judge is a red herring. The article continues (my emphasis in red):

"The officials said that the denial of access to the information was the key factor in the refusal to extradite the film maker to the U.S., according to the letter to the U.S. Embassy in Bern, Switzerland.

A district attorney's spokeswoman said their office was never notified of the Swiss request and did not know that the Justice Department had turned it down.

The letter dated Monday was obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday night. It provided a time line of when the request was filed and when it was turned down.

The letter blamed the denial of extradition solidly on the refusal by the Justice Department to show transcripts of testimony by the film director's original prosecutor to Swiss officials.

"Since the additional documents requested were not transmitted in full, extradition of Roman Polanski to the United States of America is thus denied," said the letter.

Justice Department spokeswoman Laura Sweeney said she had no comment on the matter.

The Swiss said that they wanted to know whether Polanski, who was being held in a 33-year-old sex case, had already served his sentence.

The Swiss had said from the beginning that their extradition laws allowed Polanski to be sent to the United States only if he was going to be required to serve at least six months in prison. They sought the testimony of original prosecutor Roger Gunson to clarify the matter.

On May 13, the letter said, the Justice Department "responded that the desired copy of the statement of Roger Gunson could not be given out."

The letter added, "Under these circumstances it cannot be excluded with certainty that Roman Polanski, who was imprisoned in the Chino State Prison for 42 days, has not already served the sentence imposed on him."

It was the first indication that the Swiss were potentially accepting arguments raised by Polanski's lawyers who claimed he was a victim of misconduct by now deceased Superior Court Judge Laurence Rittenband. The letter mentions Rittenband by name and said authorities wanted to know whether Rittenband had promised Polanski that his time undergoing a diagnostic study in prison would be his entire sentence. He had pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl.

The request was transmitted to the Justice Department, they said, on May 5, 2010.

Adding to the confusion, Swiss Justice Ministry spokesman Folco Galli had said on April 30 that his department wasn't interested in the testimony. "Such documents are irrelevant for the extradition proceedings," he had told the AP.

But the ministry said it then asked U.S. authorities for the transcript only days later because it was believed to contain evidence of paramount importance to the case.

Asked after Polanksi's release about what seemed to be an about-turn, the ministry declined to explain itself."

and:

"District attorney's spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said prosecutors in Los Angeles were never notified of the request. She said the only contact from the Justice Department was a query asking for an explanation of what a conditional examination was."

Had the L. A. prosecutors been informed, they could have easily turned over the information (which was completely irrelevant to any good faith extradition proceeding). The request for this information was just a ruse, unnecessary to the Pedoland determination. A phony request for unnecessary information cooked up in a conspiracy between pedophile interests in Pedoland and the U. S. Justice Department, serving as a front for the Jewish Entertainment Industrial Complex. The point of the exercise was to find a way to keep Roman out of the United States, and keep the Los Angeles prosecutors in the dark until it was too late. The whole trick turned on creating phony doubts about the original proceedings based on the nuttiest of the conspiracy theories of the defense, the alleged wrongdoing of the original judge, a theory presented by Polanski defenders without even a shred of evidence, and based on the legally wrong idea that a judge has to accept a plea bargain as presented to him.
at 7/15/2010 09:47:00 AM

[Dawn Meredith]

I have no good feelings about this.

Polanski raped and buggered a child, and has somehow managed to portray himself as the victim.

As I saaid earlier I agree totally with Jan on this.


I was reading through this thread and one other to find the posts about The Ninth Gate as we watched it last night.

Not successful, but lots of other incredible stuff in this thread.

Jan said he had viewed this film several times in an attempt to understand the mind of Polanski.

(Something to that effect). His attraction to this dark world is something I would like to have him explain. I have read he was abused terribly in childhood.

Too many connections, none of them good...in this thread, I mean.

I am of the opinion that most serial killers have been created. Pre MK ULTRA such a person was rare. In fact off the top of my head I can only thnk of two, the Tx. Tower shooter and the killers made famous by the book and film In Cold Blood.

Over all I thought the film was interesting but the ending left me cold. She- "green eyes" -Polanski's real life wife was one of "them"- and "turned" the "hero"????

And yes, Dennis Hopper, full circle.

Dawn

[R.K. Locke]

A post for those of you interested in synchromysticism/Jungian psychology, etc.


Yesterday the New York Times published this: http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02...blogs&_r=0


This is a song that Dory Previn recorded in 1970. Listen carefully to the words:


[video=youtube_share;objejWFsf1o]http://youtu.be/objejWFsf1o[/video]



From the Wikipedia page on Dory Previn:

In 1968 André Previn had fully moved from composing film scores to conducting symphony orchestras, most notably the London Symphony Orchestra. While in London he began an affair with the then 23-year-old actress Mia Farrow, who was working on the film A Dandy in Aspic.[11] In 1969 Previn discovered that Farrow had become pregnant, compelling Previn to separate from her husband. Their divorce became final in July 1970. André Previn subsequently married Farrow.[5] This betrayal led to Previn being institutionalized again, where she was treated with electroconvulsive therapy.[12] This seemed to change her outlook as a songwriter, making her more introspective. She subsequently expressed her feelings regarding Farrow and the end of her marriage in the song "Beware of Young Girls" on her 1970 album On My Way to Where

In 1970 she signed as a solo artist with the Mediarts company founded by Alan Livingston and Nik Venet, and recorded her first album for 12 years, On My Way To Where.[5] Much of the album, which like several subsequent albums was produced by Venet, deals with her experiences in the late 1960s. "Mister Whisper" examines episodes of psychosis from within the confines of a psychiatric hospital, while "Beware of Young Girls" is a scathing attack on Mia Farrow and her motives for befriending the Previns (Farrow belatedly apologized to Dory in her memoir What Falls Away). The track "With My Daddy in the Attic" is a chilling piece dealing with Stockholm Syndrome and fantasies of incest.



From the Wikiepedia page on Mia Farrow:

In 1970, Farrow married the conductor/composer André Previn after having become pregnant by him while he was married to songwriter Dory Previn.[31] His former wife wrote a scathing song, entitled "Beware of Young Girls", about the loss of her husband to Farrow.[32] Farrow and Previn had three biological children (twins Matthew and Sascha, and Fletcher). In 1973 and 1976, respectively, they adopted Vietnamese infants Lark Song and Summer "Daisy" Song, followed by the adoption of Soon-Yi (born c. October 8, 1972)[33] from Korea around 1978. Soon-Yi's precise age and birth date are not known, but a bone scan estimated her age as being between 5 and 7 years old at the time of her adoption.[33] André and Mia divorced in 1979.[34]

In 1980, Farrow began seeing film director Woody Allen. During their relationship, Farrow starred in many of Allen's films, and several of her relatives also made appearances. Together they adopted Moses "Misha"[35] Farrow and Dylan Farrow. Dylan was known as "Eliza" for a while and later known as "Malone".[35] In 1987, Farrow gave birth to their son Satchel "Seamus"[35] O'Sullivan Farrow,[36] later known as Ronan Farrow. However, in a 2013 interview with Vanity Fair, Farrow stated that Ronan could "possibly" be the biological child of her first husband Frank Sinatra, with whom she claims to have "never really split up".[37]



Make of that what you will.