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Strange Timing & Motive In Polanski Arrest
#11
Whether or not Polanski raped the holy virgin Mary or not is absolutely not relevant in this case.
DO NOT TRY TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS ABOUT ANYTHING SEXUAL.

Looking at this with sufficiently clear eyes, this is about regaining control over Polanski, this man is in some way dangerous to the Borg and they want to get him back into (Mind?-)controlled safety NOW, not 30 years ago.

So something relevant concerning current events is buried in the mind of Polanski. Does anybody have a contact address? I'd like to ask Polanski some questions, publicly, if possible.

Carsten Wiethoff
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#12
He drugged and raped a child. He should be in prison, and the fact that he was a fugitive for decades does not erase the crime. Furthermore the fact that the, now grown, victim is not seeking prison for him is irrelevant. Authorities still have every right to prosecute him.

I have personal sympathy for him for his horrible childhood and the murder of his wife. Nonetheless, he drugged and raped a child.
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#13
Damien Lloyd Wrote:Didn't he also rape Natasha Kinski When she was 15 whilst filming Tess?
Not sure Damien but it is ringing a bell or two.
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#14
Peter Presland Wrote:....
What does interest me is the timing of the arrest. What exactly prompted it right now?

He's being reported here in the UK as having been 'on the run', whereas he owned a massive property in Switzerland which he lived in openly whilst travelling all over Europe and elsewhere.

It may just possibly be connected with the US / UBS fracas but I'm still intrigued.
The UBS angle is something that I am noticing also Peter. Switzerland did somewhat offer him up on a plate and they didn't have to and never did until yesterday. I am sure some people will be quickly making other arrangements with their bank accounts and/or citizenship status. As was recently recommended by the Swiss banks themselves.

I would not have said that Polanski was 'on the run' as reported in the UK press but he has avoided going to the US. He has lived very openly in Europe for many years.

The coincidental timing of Susan Aitken's death in the same week is I think just coincidence. But spooky all the same.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#15
Magda Hassan Wrote:The coincidental timing of Susan Aitken's death in the same week is I think just coincidence. But spooky all the same.

Nope.
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#16
What do you think Charles?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#17
Charles Drago Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:The coincidental timing of Susan Aitken's death in the same week is I think just coincidence. But spooky all the same.

Nope.

I'm inclined to agree with Charles here. The real reasons are 'Deep' and go back to Manson and who was running them. Timing on such things can be 'everything'. We'll probably never know exactly, this will be like the Japanese Bond caper and be dealt with in private, after some publicity. The public part, to me, is likely 'Circus' to amuse the Plebs, and distract from something past, going on, or planned. Without making any excuses for what he likely did. [He pleaded guilty to sex with a minor, but didn't plead guilty to the drugging - nor was it proven in court - the family of the 13 year-old gave their permission for her to be with him alone.....and [sadly] this 'kind' of stuff is fairly common in 'Hollywood']. Again, not to excuse him. The Judge and Prosecutor broke their agreement with him. I think it is more complex that the surface story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_Tate
On August 8, 1969, Tate was two weeks from giving birth. She entertained two friends, actresses Joanna Pettet and Barbara Lewis, for lunch at her home, confiding in them her disappointment at Polanski's delay in returning from London. In the afternoon Polanski phoned her. Her younger sister Debra also called to ask if she and their sister Patti could spend the night with her, but Sharon declined. In the evening she went to her favorite restaurant, El Coyote, with Sebring, Frykowski and Folger, returning about 10:30 p.m.[1]

During the night they were murdered by members of Charles Manson's "Family" and their bodies discovered the following morning by Tate's housekeeper, Winifred Chapman. Police arrived at the scene to find the body of a young man, later identified as Steven Parent, shot to death in his car, which was in the driveway. Inside the house, the bodies of Tate and Sebring were found in the living room; a long rope tied around each of their necks connected them. On the front lawn lay the bodies of Frykowski and Folger. All of the victims, except Parent, had been stabbed numerous times. The coroner's report for Tate noted that she had been stabbed sixteen times, and that "five of the wounds were in and of themselves fatal".[14]

Police took the only survivor at the address, the caretaker William Garretson, for questioning. Garretson lived in the guest house which was located on the property, but a short distance from the house, and not immediately visible. As the first suspect, he was questioned and submitted to a polygraph test. He said that Parent had visited him at approximately 11:30 p.m. and left after a few minutes. Garretson said he had no involvement in the murders and did not know anything that could help the investigation. Police accepted his explanation and he was allowed to leave.

Polanski had been informed of the murders and returned to Los Angeles where police, unable to determine a motive, questioned him about his wife and friends. The funerals for the five victims were held on Wednesday, August 13. Sharon Tate was interred in the Holy Cross Cemetery, Culver City, California, with her son, Paul Richard Polanski (named posthumously for Polanski's and Tate's fathers), in her arms. The funerals of Tate and Sebring were separated by several hours to allow mourners to attend both.

Life magazine devoted a lengthy article to the murders and featured photographs of the crime scenes. Polanski was interviewed for the article and allowed himself to be photographed in the living room where Tate and Sebring had died, Tate's dried blood clearly visible on the floor in front of him. Widely criticized for his actions, he argued that he wanted to know who was responsible and was willing to shock the magazine's readers in the hope that someone would come forward with information.[2]

Curiosity about the victims led to the re-release of Tate's films, achieving greater popularity than they had in their initial runs. Some newspapers began to speculate on the motives for the murders. Some of the published photographs of Tate were allegedly taken at a Satanic ritual, but were later proven to have been production photographs from Eye of the Devil. Friends spoke out against the portrayal of Tate by some elements of the media. Mia Farrow said she was as "sweet and pure a human being as I have ever known", while Patty Duke remembered her as "a gentle, gentle creature. I was crazy about her, and I don't know anyone who wasn't". Polanski berated a crowd of journalists at a press conference, saying that many times they had written that Tate "was beautiful. Maybe the most beautiful woman in the world. But did you ever write how good she was?".[1] Peter Evans later quoted the actor Laurence Harvey, who commented on Polanski immediately after the murders, "This could destroy Roman. Marriage vows mean nothing to him but few men have adored a woman as much as he adored Sharon."[8]

Polanski later admitted that in the months following the murders he suspected various friends and associates, and his paranoia subsided only when the killers were arrested. Newspapers claimed that many Hollywood stars were moving out of the city, while others were reported to have installed security systems in their homes. Writer Dominick Dunne later recalled the tension:“ The shock waves that went through the town were beyond anything I had ever seen before. People were convinced that the rich and famous of the community were in peril. Children were sent out of town. Guards were hired. Steve McQueen packed a gun when he went to Jay Sebring's funeral.[15] ”

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Arrest and trial of the Manson Family

Jay Sebring, pictured here with Tate in 1966, was killed when he attempted to defend her against the attackers.

In November 1969, while in prison in connection with a car theft, Susan Atkins boasted to an inmate that she was responsible for the murder of Sharon Tate. This led to her indictment, along with the accomplices she named, Charles Manson, Charles "Tex" Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel and Linda Kasabian. Atkins also revealed that the murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca in Los Feliz, Los Angeles, the night after the Tate murders, were also committed by "Family" members, and incriminated Leslie Van Houten as a participant in the second murder.

The Los Angeles County District Attorney offered Susan Atkins immunity from prosecution in exchange for her grand jury and trial testimony. Atkins testified before the grand jury and admitted that she had stabbed Sharon Tate because she was "sick of listening to her, pleading and begging, begging and pleading". Atkins refused to cooperate further, forcing the District Attorney's office to withdraw its immunity offer to Atkins, and offer immunity to Kasabian instead. Kasabian drove her accomplices to 10050 Cielo Drive but mostly waited in the car during the murders. Assistant District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi wrote later that he was relieved that his office withdrew its immunity offer to Atkins.[14]

On June 15, 1970, Manson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten were tried while Watson remained in Texas fighting extradition. The details of the trial were reported throughout the world. Kasabian was a reliable and consistent witness. She testified about a hippie group and its leader Charles Manson, a thwarted musician who believed that a race war was imminent. He believed that the music of The Beatles warned of the coming holocaust, which he referred to as Helter Skelter, after the Beatles song, and also believed that only the "chosen", his "family", would survive. Briefly associated with Terry Melcher, Manson had believed that Melcher would foster his musical aspirations; when this did not occur, Manson felt infuriated and betrayed. Manson believed that he would bring about the race war by having his followers slaughter wealthy people in their homes and cast suspicion on militant groups such as the Black Panthers. Manson expected these groups to win the race war, and predicted that they would make him their leader when they realized they were too inept to govern the new society. He had been to 10050 Cielo Drive, and although he knew that Melcher had moved, the house represented his rejection by the show business establishment. He instructed Watson, Atkins, Krenwinkel, and Kasabian to go to the house "and kill everyone there", while he remained in their camp at Spahn's Movie Ranch.[14]

Kasabian's and Atkins' testimony provided details that had not previously been reported to the public. When the group scaled a fence surrounding the property, they were seen by Steven Parent, who was leaving in his car. Watson approached the vehicle and ordered it to stop. Parent asked Watson not to hurt him, and promised that he would not say anything, but Watson's response was to slash him with a knife and shoot Parent four times. Watson then instructed Kasabian to remain outside and keep watch while the others entered the house. The four occupants were rounded up into the living room and tied together at gunpoint. When Watson ordered the occupants to lie on their stomachs, Jay Sebring urged the intruders to consider Tate's pregnancy and not harm her. Watson immediately shot Sebring. Wojciech Frykowski and Abigail Folger escaped, running in different directions onto the front lawn, where they were overtaken and killed. Tate begged for her child's life, pleading that the group abduct Tate and let her give birth before murdering her. Atkins testified that she replied to Tate, "Look, bitch, I have no mercy for you. You're going to die and you'd better get used to it." Atkins and Watson then stabbed her to death. Atkins mopped up some of Tate's blood with a towel and used it to write "PIG" on the front door. They left Tate's house after midnight and returned to Spahn Ranch.[14]

The defendants were found guilty and sentenced to death on March 29, 1971. Watson was tried separately after extradition from Texas. Psychiatrists testified that he appeared to be feigning insanity, and while he admitted his role in all of the killings, he refused to acknowledge his responsibility, and was widely quoted by the press when he blandly stated that he had not noticed that Sharon Tate was pregnant. He was found guilty and sentenced to death on October 21, 1971. The death sentences were later automatically commuted to life in prison after the California Supreme Court's People v. Anderson decision resulted in the invalidation of all death sentences imposed in California before 1972. As of 2009, Manson, Watson, Krenwinkel, and Van Houten remain incarcerated, each having failed to obtain parole more than a dozen times since becoming eligible.[1] Atkins died in prison on September 24, 2009.[16]

[3 days later Polanski is arrested!...]
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#18
For a more in-depth view of Manson, Tate, Atkins, Watson et al, see the following DPF threads:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/....php?t=107

In the above thread, the Sadie Mae Glutz who the hooting Mansonites tease with "ha ha - you fucked a CIA guy" is Susan Atkins, the newly deceased butcher of Sharon Tate.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/....php?t=698

From the above thread, I've copied post #8 here:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:I am reminded that Sharon Tate came from an Air Force family and lived in this area too when she was murdered. FWIW probably not much.

Paul Tate, Sharon Tate's father, was Army Intelligence.

After Sharon and her unborn child had been slaughtered, Paul Tate went on a journey into the dark, sleazy, criminal subculture that the Manson Family inhabited.

The world of garbage cans, Kenneth Anger, the Process Church of the Final Judgement, the OTO, Hollywood's wildest families, and "acid" that produced entirely different mindtrips from LSD.

A world where sex and violence, glamour and pain, manipulation and psychosis, were intricately linked.

It has been suggested that Paul Tate's journey into this otherworld was, in part, the inspiration for Paul Schrader's nightmarish movie Hardcore, starring George C Scott, and 8mm starring Nicolas Cage.

In the introduction to Vol 3 of Peter Levenda's brilliant Sinister Forces, Paul Krassner discusses the evidence of everyone from Dennis Hopper to private investigators that the LAPD found & sold hardcore films of Sharon Tate after her murder.

Hopper was one of the sources for persistent tales of the public flogging of a drug dealer (possibly filmed) at Cielo Drive just prior to the slaughter.

And, as I've written before, there have also been persistent - and briefly published - claims that Manson had a Naval Intelligence handler who provided him with highly experimental and potent drugs. Drugs from the dark side...

See also:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/....php?t=223

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...php?t=2031
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#19
Magda Hassan Wrote:What do you think Charles?

Are you familiar with this intel-related term of art: "cleaning out a row"?
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#20
Immediately thought of USB, but can't make out a Swiss motive unless it's to expose something to Americans in a sort of revenge over hidden details of the UBS/Swiss agreement to turn American account information over to the IRS. That assumes the Swiss know something we don't, that they want revenge and that extradition would somehow achieve exposure.

The only detail that pops to mind is the Polannski/Tate dinner on the eve of of RFK's assassination, but I can't remember the connexion.

The press is saying Polanski is a French citizen and resident. The Swiss are thereby acting outside/against the EU, for whatever reason, possibly it's grease for the wheels of US payments for Swiss-held derivatives. Just a thought.
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