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Strange Timing & Motive In Polanski Arrest
#41
Helen Reyes Wrote:That's funny, I just stumbled across some audio clips of Charlie

Charles Manson Dumb People

Charles Manson Speech to Parole Officers


Manson is correct in the essentials. He's a constructed bogeyman injected into the American psyche.

The sicko who killed the Sixties.

Their Manufactured Killer who proved to Mom and Pop that Peace and Love are Deadly and Dangerous. Order. Discipline. Prisons. Executions.

Dammit - human emotion must be kept under Kontrol.

Manson is the serial killer who never murdered anyone. He got others to murder for him, using an Ultra-effective recipe.

The Manson Secret. In Peter Levenda's sense. And mine, in several threads on DPF.

Helen Reyes Wrote:Jan, does the flu vaccination thing going on currently remind you of Jim Jones' suicide drills? "Just take the damn wafer!"

It's of the same species.

It's an obedience drill.

Will you, all of you, do as Authority, as Daddy, tells you?

Jones' version was called White Night.

Quote:One and only one cookie was the rule. Noone, not even a
preferred aide who otherwise enjoyed special privileges, was
allowed more than one cookie. On one occasion, a young
Black girl who was baking the cookies, in the kitchen,
unaware that the flour had been spiked with drugs, handed
one out an open window to her boyfriend. Temple guards, who
monitored every step of the cookie production, reported the
infraction to Jones. At the next community-wide meeting, the
young girl and boy were called to the stage, ordered to
disrobe and forced to have sex in full view of the entire
congregation. Such was the humiliating punishment for
violating the one cookie rule and understandably so, as such
an infraction would alter the controlled dosage and taint
the test results.

There were only two other mandatory weekly rituals in
Jonestown and both were related to the one cookie. The first
was a weekly TPR examination in which the medical staff
examined each of the test persons and recorded their
temperature, blood pressure, respiratory system, weight and
other health monitors in the Test Person's medical records.
This was necessary to determine if the mind control drugs
could be detected in standard medical examinations. Though
the average American might have a physical examination once
in five years, and the medical profession recommends (to
their profit) a yearly exam, the Jonestown residents
received a weekly examination. The second weekly ritual in
Jonestown was the White Night rehearsal in which Jones
ordered his congregation to drink what they were told was poison and commit suicide for the "cause."

Following the final White Night, the Jonestown guards
identified the dead and catalogued them in two separate
groups, those who voluntarily drank cyanide and those who
had to be forcibly injected. This took time to accomplish
which accounts for the long delay before outsiders were
allowed to enter the compound. As the cause of death was
noted on the medical records of each Test Person, the
corpses were dragged to one side and placed in neat, orderly
piles. This was a mistake, as death from cyanide poisoning
is preceded by such violent contortions that victims often
die with only the top of their head and the heels of their
feet touching the ground. The Jonestown residents could
never have died in the neat, orderly piles in which they
were found.

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...=jonestown
http://www.fonebone.net/Jonestown/12.Chap.txt

The flu vaccination is not cyanide-laced Kool Aid. But then that's not what killed most of the Jonestown preterite....
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#42
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:...

Helen Reyes Wrote:Jan, does the flu vaccination thing going on currently remind you of Jim Jones' suicide drills? "Just take the damn wafer!"

It's of the same species.

It's an obedience drill.

Will you, all of you, do as Authority, as Daddy, tells you?

Jones' version was called White Night.

Obedience drill. Apt term.

This subject, linking the flu "vaccine" to the white nights, deserves its own thread.
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#43


Swiss 'tipped off US' on Polanski




[Image: _46552343_-3.jpg] Polanski was arrested as he arrived in Zurich to receive a film festival award

Newly released documents have shed light on how fugitive film director Roman Polanski came to be arrested during a trip to Zurich last month.
The AP news agency said e-mails show that the Swiss authorities tipped off their US counterparts that Polanski, 76, was preparing to travel to Zurich.
The filmmaker was held as he travelled from France to collect an award.
He has been wanted in the US since pleading guilty to unlawful sex with an underage girl and then fleeing in 1978.
The US authorities have so far declined to say how they learned of Polanski's trip to Zurich.
But the e-mails revealed by AP, following a public records request, show that the information came from the Swiss Federal Office of Justice.
After receiving the tip-off, US federal officials alerted prosecutors in Los Angeles, who drafted an arrest warrant, according to AP.
Correspondents say is not clear why Switzerland chose to pursue Polanski now, when the director has been a frequent visitor to that country.
He has lost an appeal to be released on bail and is currently being held in a Swiss jail ahead of his possible extradition to the United States.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#44
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I'm going to be self-indulgent and quote myself:

Jan Klimkowski Wrote:Synopsis of the 1940 film of Maeterlinck's Blue Bird, starring Shirley Temple:

...

Candy Tate

Sharon Jones

The Bluebird of Happiness.

The Blue Bird of Synchronicity.

When is a coincidence a synchronicity?

... ......

Possibly related: Operation Blue Jay? Centered around the construction of Thule Air Force Base in NW Greenland ca. 1949 (agrees with a Fred Lee Crisman presence, not the first US base in Greenland however) with Space Command crew (originally just satellite tracking?).

http://www.bwcinet.com/thule/bm.html
Quote:A view of Thule in 1949
Email received from Bill MacDowell:

If it wasn't for the Navy, you guys would never had the opportunity to be there. Nice to hear from you on the net. Regards, Bill Macdowell

Maybe you're interested in the real beginning of the base. I was on the USS Wyandot, AKA 92 (Cargo ship) when we entered North Star Bay in 1949. There was absolutely nothing there except eskimos, the Danes and weathermen.

The Wyandot's mission was top secret and classified the original Operation "Blue Jay". We brought the first material to start the base. On board were our compliment of Navy personnel, the Seabees, the Marines, with amphibious equipment, etc.

What you call Mt. Dundas, we called Perry's Peak (or Mountain).

There were no hangers for airplanes and equipment and food stuffs were under tarpolins. We had to examine each and every eskimo for TB and other problems and more important, if anyone of us had a cold we were restricted from going ashore. To get ashore we used M-Boats. We also worked 12 hour shifts in order to beat the ice flow. There is much more to tell, but you get the picture.

Your site was very interesting and brought back many memories. Thanx Bill Macdowell...e-mail: norska@gate.net .

http://www.thuleforum.com/blue-j.htm
Quote:OPERATION BLUE-J.....

The construction of the Thule Air Base.

Because of the harsh artic environment in which it was built, consideration into both the material used to build the airbase and the preparation of the earth upon which it was built had to be given. Various contractors had to witness the manufacturer of material used in the airbase construction. While at Thule the amount of earth preparation, the work site required before construction could begin.

In addition there was the massive logistical operation needed for Blue Jay.

Operation Blue Jay goes back to 1949 when communist aggression was in full flight in Indo-China and against United Nations forces in Korea and President Harry S. Truman declared a national emergency. In Washington a secret meeting was held in the office of the Chief of Engineers. Present at this meeting were:

Lieutenant General Lewis A. Pick, then major general, Chief of Engineers;

Brigadier General Noland, Deputy Chief of Engineers

Peter Kuwin builder of airfields, and large dams.

S.J. Groves one of the builders of the New Jersey and Pennsylvania Turnpike, and

Joe Green construction expert.

The job was to be approximately 900 miles north of the Artic Circle far beyond any shipping lane. The job was to build a great airbase for America's long range bombers high on the northwest coast of Greenland at the tiny settlement called Thule, and built with the permission of the Danish Government. The base would push America's defence line 2,000 miles to the north. Blue Jays strategic location was ideal, but its construction in only four short months seemed impossible.

The impossible was just a challenge to American resourcefulness. Industry and the Armed Forces joined hands to put across Blue Jay on time. Industry developed new designs that would stand-up to the severe strains of the artic winter.

Clements panels used for refrigerator walls were adapted to buildings and hanger. More than 300-thousand were used at Blue Jay. Over 11-million board feet of lumber would be needed for housing and storage. Steel for hanger trusses to stand a hurricane blast of the artic winter was fabricated. And steel for the water distillation and giant fuel tanks each 200 tons were needed. Lacking port facilities at Thule eight old LST unloading docks were improvised.

Their superstructures were chopped off at deck level to provide a smooth unobstructed dock surface now called "dumb barges" they would be towed to Thule and anchored as permanent piers. Throughout the spring of 1951 a tidal wave of equipment rolled into the Army base at Norfolk, Virginia, the prime staging area for Blue Jay. A 6-million tons of cargo moved to Norfolk. At the same time at Rosemont, Minnesota, another procurement program was underway for men.

Here in the upper Midwest was to be found a pool of workers experienced in cold weather construction. These men are being tested and given work trials. And they are also getting survival training. An advance party of these men were sent to Thule to prepare the worksite for the main body due to arrive by ship in June. Sites for hangers, barracks, roads, and quarries were staked out by-the Deputy District Engineer for the Northwest District.

Temporary shelters were put up. The Atwell Hut for example is shipped as a compete building in a single package. Soil samples are being taken and the beach being cleared. Back at Norfolk supply yards were jammed by early. Shovels, bulldozers, asphalt plants, graders, and rock crushers were all loaded onto ships.

Rolling stock is being loaded and trucks are being sea proofed for the voyage. DUKW' scrolled onboard by the score loaded with fuel and other vital cargo so they could dash ashore as soon as the ships reached their destination. Embarking also were 3,000 men of the engineers, signal and transportation corps plus other military specialists plus the bulk of the civilian workmen. On June 6, 1951 this armada steamed out of Norfolk and headed north. 82 ships carried a cargo valued at $125-million.

The ships are churning their way through ice with icebergs and pack ice. The convoy halted and held fast in an ice pack. And a Coast Guard icebreaker is breaking a path through the ice for the ships.

Finally on July 9 the fleet steamed into North Star Bay at Thule. Their two-week voyage took twice that long and which meant that two weeks were lost. This time had to be made up some how. Ships had hardly anchored when the control headquarters' ship Monrovia raced into high gear to get the convoy unloaded. Cargo was loaded into landing craft manned by 1,000 seamen.

Eventually 153-thousand long tons of cargo were unloaded onto the beach. Work crews 4,000 strong were ferried to shore from their quarters on five personnel carriers. They operated in two shifts, 60% on first or day shift and 40% on the second shift. As soon as earth-moving equipment disembarked from LST's they went to work around the clock in good as well as bad weather seven days a week.

The first objective was the giant airstrip with its runway, which is being prepared. The newly completed airstrip received two key visitors on August 8, when Lieutenant General Hoyt Vandenberg, Air Force Chief of Staff and General Pick arrived to check on construction progress at Thule. At this time there was only 2 months left to work.

The fuel tanks are being constructed and the welders are working night and day on them. Also under construction is the pipeline as it was being rigged and would run out over a mile from the fuel tanks to the tankers. There are also preparations of the land, needed to support this construction.

On August 30, Secretary of the Air Force, made an inspection visit and with less than two months left, found the work is ahead of schedule. Barracks were under construction, and as soon as they were completed the workmen moved ashore and ships departed for home.

On October 1, Lieutenant General Curtis LeMay, Chief of the Strategic Air Command, visited Thule, and was briefed by Colonel Clarence Renshaw, Northeast District Engineer. A snow and sleet storm is lashing the worksite. At the first break in the weather the work crews checked out for a flight home. In only 104 days Blue Jay was operational. A year later the new base had the benefit of another work season.

The military value of Greenland was not generally recognized until World War II, when weather stations and airfields were constructed at various places in Greenland by agencies of the United States. In August 1943 the Army Air Forces established a weather station at Thule to be operated by Danish personnel. This was accomplished on a verbal contract, which was confirmed in October 1945. (The Allies and the Nazis had a weather-station building race in Greenland; Denmark was occupied by the Nazis. The US occupied a strategically-important kryolite mine, used in aluminium manufacture, in SW Greenland early in the war.-Helen)

In 1946 the United States and Denmark agreed to expand the work of the station at Thule, and personnel of the U.S. Weather Bureau joined the Danes in operating the weather station. New buildings, a radio station, and a gravel airstrip were constructed in 1946 by the Army Air Forces, operating as a part of a joint military task force. The airstrip was prepared between July and September 1946, and the first Air Transport Command aircraft landed on 9 September. Thule became a resupply point for other arctic weather stations, and the airstrip was also utilized for polar reconnaissance flights.

U.S. - Danish memorandums of 1947 and 1949 continued former agreements, and in 1949 both nations were linked in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. A new bilateral agreement for the defense of Greenland was signed in April 1951, and soon thereafter the construction of Thule Air Base began. It was initially designed as a forward base for staging bombers and tankers of the Strategic Air Command, and this mission accounted for the urgency associated with construction efforts.

In December 1950 the Department of Defense directed the Army Corps of Engineers to construct Thule Air Base as soon as diplomatic arrangements were confirmed. The Army engaged a commercial firm, the North Atlantic Constructors, for this task. Hiring was accomplished in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Norfolk, Virginia, was designated the port for shipment of material in surface vessels, and Westover Air Force Base, Massachusetts, was used as a marshalling point for airborne shipments of freight and passengers.

A reconnaissance party arrived at Thule in the middle of February 1951, landing on the gravel strip constructed in 1946. A United States Air Force (USAF) detachment reached Thule on 10 March 1951, and a naval task force arrived with equipment, personnel, and supplies on 9 July. More than 4,400 passengers were airlifted to Thule during 1951, and more than 1,000 passengers and about 300,000 tons of cargo arrived on surface vessels. Until adequate barracks were available, the bulk of the construction force was housed aboard ships furnished by the Military Air Transport Service (MATS). During the winter of 1951-52 the construction force was reduced to the minimum number of men required to perform inside work and maintain the construction camp, but the workmen returned in the spring of 1952, and again in the spring of 1953, to finish the initial effort.

By October 1953 the vast construction program was substantially completed, and most of the buildings on the base had been accepted by the base commander. The runway, 10,000 feet long and 200 feet wide, was capable of supporting heavy aircraft, and the field was equipped with navigational aids. There were seven large hangars plus several smaller ones for fighter aircraft on alert. Near the center of the base there were 125 barracks, 6 mess halls, a gymnasium, service club, hobby shop, library, base exchange, post office, theater, chapel, and hospital. There were also 63 warehouses, a laundry, a bakery, and plants for generating heat and power.

Water was obtained from an adjacent lake, and an auxiliary supply, used principally by the base laundry, was obtained by distilling sea water. There was a 1,000 foot dock, constructed from barges which had been towed from the Gulf of Mexico, placed on caissons, and stabilized alongside a rock-filled causeway. Eighty-nine miles of road interlaced the base and ran to off-base installations. Hosted tank trucks supplied water and removed wastes until 1960, when heated and insulated pipe lines, built above the ground, were completed.

The base was and is a forward staging area for striking USSR/Russia. The 1962 telephone directory lists a Kennedy and a Fred Lee, but no Hoppers. RCA corp also had a support staff there.

[Image: jayne.jpg]
Jayne Mansfield at the Thule Air Base for the 1961 USO Christmas show with Bob Hope, Connie Stevens, Jerry Colona and others
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#45
I hope this is not too off topic, but here goes:

I cannot help but conclude that the location chosen for the US Greenland AF base, "Thule" was entirely based on the Nazi occult organization "Thule Gesselschaft"? As many here know, the Nazis had a particular interest in northern hemisphere ultra cold zones because that was where their mythology said the lost land of the Aryan race derived from. There are also very strong connections here to "Agarttha" or "Shambala" - the subterranean city at the centre of the world where the mysterious Vril power originates from.

Thule

Agarttha/Shambala.

Journeys to the centre of the Earth (or the "Underworld"), when used by occult orders are never to be taken literally, but rather point to a deep psychological process.

In other words "Black Sun" - Schwarze Sunne "SS" matters.

It is axiomatic in occult circles that all secrets are hidden in plain sight.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#46
Possibly the name was a consideration for Operation Blue Jay, but Pituffik or Qaanaaq was named Thule only as late as 1910 when Knud Rasmussen went through and set up a tradiing post there. It's allegedly called Thule because of the Thule Inuit culture originally inhabiting the area, people who did not have kayaks until it was reintorduced by Southwest Greenland Inuit. There are stories that on first contact the Thule Eskimo tried to ask explorers what planet they came from, they having assumed they were alone on Earth. Comer's Midden in the area shows inhabitation from the 14th century to present, minus the 17th and 18th centuries.

[Image: 098563c2a1.jpg]
some Thule culture ruins from the 1400s in Northeast Greenland

Of course I'm thinking along the same lines as David, that there's something to the coincidences, maybe even including Jayne Mansfield's USO tour. Greenland and Thule are a conjunction of different industrial and occult interests, Thule AFB was the launching pad for numerous secret experiments in the Arctic, did logistics for an RAF operation on the central icecap called Northice Station (according to wikipedia) and is generally very strange in being probably the largest city in Greenland but completely closed. William Cooper mentions Greenland as a source for the transmissions he decrypted or reencrypted in Behold a Pale Horse and there is UFO lore about a buried news story from the mid-70s on the discovery of a strangely warm cave with something in it on the east coast.

According to the Thule Base newsletter Thule Times, British BAe Systems took over the BMEWS in 2006. Operation Urban Shield in Alameda County, California right now has BAe as honored guest, despite the bribery scandal they're mired in back home. There seems to be a UKUS angle to BAe's involvement at Thule and in Oakland at Lawrence Livermore and elsewhere.

Thule is supposedly exactly midway between New York (or DC?) and Moscow and must've looked like a good place to put over-the-horizon radar when it was built. All of the other DEW line stations appear to be south, however.

And this is rather strange:

http://unsolvedmysteries.com/usm274165.html?t=Hauntings
Quote:Singing star "Mama" Cass Elliot, a celebrity of the 1960's, was not associated with the occult. Not long after moving into the stately mansion [owned and supposedly haunted by Jayne Mansfield], she went to London to tape some commercials, leaving her husband behind to oversee the redecorating of the house. Although she was thousands of miles away, she wasn't far enough to escape the wrath that apparently was emanating from it. During her stay in London, she choked to death on a ham sandwich. Needless to say, her husband vacated the premises.

It wasn't just Old Norse or Nazis who believed there was a sacred land at the extreme northern point of the Earth, it also comes up in Mandaean traditions in the Middle East, who held the North superior and believed there was a white mountain at the North Pole. Thule as semi-mythical is also a land where all sorts of dreams and anomolies can be banished, or put on cryogenic supsension for reanimation at a later time.

Quote:By a route obscure and lonely,
Haunted by ill angels only,
Where an Eidolon, named NIGHT,
On a black throne reigns upright,
I have reached these lands but newly
From an ultimate dim Thule-
From a wild clime that lieth, sublime,
Out of SPACE-- out of TIME.

--Dream-land, Edgar Allan Poe
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#47
Helen Reyes Wrote:...
There seems to be a UKUS angle to BAe's involvement at Thule and in Oakland at Lawrence Livermore and elsewhere.
...

little correction...

Lawrence Livermore is located in Livermore, California, about 40 miles southeast of Oakland (not in Oakland or Bezerkley).
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#48
David and Helen - as you know, "Thule" is also tied up with the Nazi "Hollow Earth" theory, inherited from Theosophy and leading to an SS (Schwarze Sonne) Vril.

Here's a not entirely accurate overview:

Quote:In his book Black Sun, Prof. Goodrick-Clarke refers to the research of the German author Peter Bahn PhD, which has revealed a plausible origin of the Vril Society myth. Bahn writes in his 1996 essay, Das Geheimnis der Vril-Energie, of his discovery of an obscure esoteric group calling itself the "Reichsarbeitsgemeinshaft", which revealed itself in a rare 1930 publication Vril. Die Kosmische Urkraft written by a member of this Berlin based group, under the pseudonym "Johannes Tauffer". Published by the influential astrological publisher, Wilhelm Becker (whom Bahn believes was "Tauffer"), the 60 page pamphlet says little of the group other than that it was founded in 1925 to study the uses of Vril energy, and other speculative free energy devices, in what it called "psycho-physical technology". It also talks of the reform and continuation of German Rosicrucianism for the 20th century. Later in the same year a similar pamphlet, Weltdynamismus, was published by the same group, by a different author under a new publisher, Otto Wilhelm Barth, though both pamphlets referred to each other. The terms used in both the pamphlets were identical to the terminology of the Pansophia Lodge, a Futurist influenced German occult order which had uniquely called for the fusion of Occultism and Alternative Science, coining such terms as "psycho-physical". This would at least indicate a small group with a Pansophist ideology, however esoteric writer Theo Paijmans, in his book on John Keely, Free Energy Pioneer, suggests that given that the Pansophia Lodge also broke up in 1925 following a schism, with the majority of its members dividing between the O.T.O and the rival Fraternitas Saturni, the Reichsarbeitsgemeinshaft was most likely a small offshoot from this schism. Goodrick-Clarke explored alleged links between this group and various Neo-Templar Orders and compares it favourably with Willy Ley's "Society for Truth".

[edit] The Conspiracy Theory - Claims in detail
According to these authors, the Vril Society was founded as "The All German Society for Metaphysics" in 1921 to explore the origins of the Aryan race, to seek contact with the "hidden masters" of Ultima Thule, and to practice meditation and other techniques intended to strengthen individual mastery of the divine Vril force itself. It was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Maria Orsitsch (Orsic) of Zagreb, who claimed to have received communication from Aryan aliens living on Alpha Tauri, in the Aldebaran system. Allegedly, these aliens had visited Earth and settled in Sumeria, and the word Vril was allegedly formed from the ancient Sumerian word Vri-Il, "like god" (In fact, Vri-Il means nothing in Sumerian, and could not even be a Sumerian word, as Sumerian had no /v/ phoneme, nor does Sumerian allow consonant clusters at the beginning of words. While the Akkadian word for "deity" is indeed ilum, the Sumerian word is dingir.). A second medium was known only as Sigrun, a name etymologically related to Sigrune, a Valkyrie and one of Wotan's nine daughters in Norse legend. Other sources[who?] state that the Vril Society was founded by an ill-defined group of Rosicrucians in Berlin before the end of the 19th century, while still others[who?] state that it was founded by Karl Haushofer in Berlin in 1918. Some sources state that the Vril Society was also known as the Luminous Lodge, or the Lodge of Light,[20] though others claim that it was originally called the Brothers of the Light.[21]

The Society allegedly not only taught concentration exercises designed to awaken the forces of Vril, their main goal was to achieve Raumflug (Spaceflight) to reach Aldebaran. To achieve this, the Vril Society joined the Thule Gesellschaft and the alleged DHvSS (Die Herren des schwarzen Steins, The Masters of the Black Stone) to fund an ambitious program involving an inter-dimensional flight machine based on psychic revelations from the Aldebaran aliens.

Members of the Vril Society are said to have included Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Göring, and Hitler's personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell. These were original members of the Thule Society which supposedly joined Vril in 1919. The NSDAP (National Sozialistische Deutsche ArbeiterPartei) was created by Thule in 1920, one year later. Dr. Krohn, who helped to create the Nazi flag, was also a Thulist.

With Hitler in power in 1933, both Thule and Vril Gesellschafts allegedly received official state backing for continued disc development programs aimed at both spaceflight and possibly a war machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vril
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#49
David Healy Wrote:
Helen Reyes Wrote:...
There seems to be a UKUS angle to BAe's involvement at Thule and in Oakland at Lawrence Livermore and elsewhere.
...

little correction...

Lawrence Livermore is located in Livermore, California, about 40 miles southeast of Oakland (not in Oakland or Bezerkley).

Yes, but still in Alameda County from what I can tell, and def part of the current joint op with foreign troops.

Saying BAe is part of UKUS sounds silly, but given the history of spying the US did on Britain and the aviation technology they lifted for US companies, I can't see any other way around it being part and parcel of the UKUS special relationship. I guess that's pretty obvious to everyone already.

Lawrence Berkeley Labs has that cool Cyclotron or Bevatron or whatever they call it.

Vril societies popped up in Britain too, and their balls were attended by high nobility in silly outfits. Vril and electricity and auras and radiation get conflated as some kind of mystic white mercury-type essence in the early 20th century, H. G Well's revelation of radium and all the rest. There is still a survival of this Vril mania in Britain, a soup brand I believe called Bovril. The etymology of Vril proper is probably a Tuetonic/Indo-European etymology current in the 19th century concerning virile, virus, virtus, virtue etc. These are traced back to an old word for man, vyras in Lithuanian=were in werewolf. It's probably not even an Indo-European word, it stretches back into the Nostratic superfamily, you see it all across Asia as gir, ghir, yir etc. I believe it still occurs in a number of ethnonyms of nations captive in the Russian and Chinese orbits, Uighur, Yukagir ... but that's spur-of-the-moment speculation.
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Quote:Lawrence Berkeley Labs has that cool Cyclotron or Bevatron or whatever they call it.


They also have a nice new bio-weapons defense lab.
"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
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