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The following statement was made to the US military tribunal by "detainee" Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.
Verbatim Transcript of Combatant Status Review Tribunal Hearing for ISN 10024:
Quote:PRESIDENT: The information that you are telling us today, so we are clear. You do not believe you are under any pressure or threat or duress to speak to us today, is that correct?
DETAINEE: Yes, that's correct.
And:
Quote:REPRESENTATIVE: Mr. President, the Detainee has asked me to read his final statement to the Tribunal with the understanding he may interject or add statements if he needs to, to correct what I say. According to the Detainee:
"I hereby admit and affirm without duress to the following:
I swore Bay'aat (i.e., allegiance) to Sheikh Usama Bin Laden to conduct Jihad of self and money, and also Hijrah (i.e., expatriation to any location in the world where Jihad is required).
I was a member of the Al Qaida Council.
I was the Media Operations Director for Al-Sahab, or 'The Clouds, under Dr. Ayman AL Zawahiri. Al-Sahab is the media outlet that provided Al-Qaida-sponsored information to Al Jazeera. Four. "
Is he world now so completely upside down and fucked up beyond recognition that no one is fazed by the foregoing statements when it is well known that said "detainee" was water-boarded 183 times prior to making these statements?
How can anyone in the light of this have the outrageous fucking nerve and lying mouth to then use the words "without duress"!
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David Guyatt Wrote:The following statement was made to the US military tribunal by "detainee" Khalid Sheikh Muhammad.
Verbatim Transcript of Combatant Status Review Tribunal Hearing for ISN 10024:
Quote:PRESIDENT: The information that you are telling us today, so we are clear. You do not believe you are under any pressure or threat or duress to speak to us today, is that correct?
DETAINEE: Yes, that's correct.
And:
Quote:REPRESENTATIVE: Mr. President, the Detainee has asked me to read his final statement to the Tribunal with the understanding he may interject or add statements if he needs to, to correct what I say. According to the Detainee:
"I hereby admit and affirm without duress to the following:
I swore Bay'aat (i.e., allegiance) to Sheikh Usama Bin Laden to conduct Jihad of self and money, and also Hijrah (i.e., expatriation to any location in the world where Jihad is required).
I was a member of the Al Qaida Council.
I was the Media Operations Director for Al-Sahab, or 'The Clouds, under Dr. Ayman AL Zawahiri. Al-Sahab is the media outlet that provided Al-Qaida-sponsored information to Al Jazeera. Four. "
Is he world now so completely upside down and fucked up beyond recognition that no one is fazed by the foregoing statements when it is well known that said "detainee" was water-boarded 183 times prior to making these statements?
How can anyone in the light of this have the outrageous fucking nerve and lying mouth to then use the words "without duress"!
http://209.85.229.132/searchq=cache:AaKedv4VFcMJ:ro.wikisource.org/wiki/en:Verbatim_Transcript_of_Combatant_Status_Review_Tribunal_Hearing_for_ISN_10024+I+admit+and+affirm+without+duress,+sheikh+khalid&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
Consider for a nanosecond that they were torturing him in order to make him confess that he was NOT what he said in Court and he resisted and spoke the opposite to spite them......on second nanosecond's thought....you might have a point there, David....even more so when if he didn't say what he did, he knew they could/would waterboard him further - as they wished, forever and until he died (or kill him). Who knows what additional mind-control or other techniques he was subjected to. They hate us for our values and our freedoms - HA! :flute:
NB - I'd like to see how Chaney, W, and Rumsfeld et al. would take 183 waterborading sessions...and what they say after!:proud:
tupido2: Duress comes after 185 waterboardings?
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Agreed Pete. The point is that no confession he made can be trusted in the light of his extensive torture. And the sheer bloody nerve of using the term "without duress" in that situation defies belief.
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We will wait and then we will "see" -- at the "show" trial -- in which the state puts up evidence it can claim is not tainted so it can demonstrate to the world the integrity, balance, transparency and fairness of the American system of jurisprudence. The continued suppression and ignore-ance of 9/11 inquiry sets the stage for the regurgitation of the old and tried myth; the mighty Wurlitzer is retooled and re-wired.
Can you imagine the media frenzy, selling postcards of the hanging?
The pundits will be tripping over themselves in order to curry ratings and favor with the administration and the mephistophelian military-industrial-Congressional-intelligence machine.
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