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German fight to keep Eichmann files secret over claims officials and Vatican colluded in escape
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Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:If I understood the interview correctly, and with the caveat that there are about a hundred pages of documents that have not been released, I can only speculate. The reason given for not releasing all documents was that Germany is dependent on foreign intelligence services and it would not be in their interest to publish these documents. Great, so much for being an open society and a democracy of informed citizens.

Regarding Eichmann the (informed) theory is that all intelligence services (German BND, CIA and the Israelis) knew for a long time, at least since 1952, that Eichmann lived more or less openly in Argentina and worked for Merceds Benz Argentina as an electrician. But there was absolutely no interest by Ben Gurion to get him before any court, because it could have been very dangerous for him and the prewar Zionist movement who had always wanted to found the state of Israel (contrary to the majority of Jews), if Eichmann would have talked about the secret arrangements between the Nazis and the Zionists.
It is also very likely that the interviews that Willem Sassen, a Dutch Nazi working for the US, conducted with Eichmann from 1957 on were known to the CIA and to the Israelis. Maybe the things that Eichmann said, became too dangerous.
It is also possible that the Russians threatened to open the box on Eichmann and all the other Nazis (around 50000 people).

All very good speculations! IMO. Yes, the Eichmann [and others] discussions with some Zionists would be a bit embarrassing. While, yes, Germany from the end of the war until today cooperates with certain other intelligence agencies, these are secrets only to the totally uninformed. Your last point is interesting. Few know that approx. HALF of all of the Nazi archival and military documents have, since the end of the War, been in Soviet [now Russian] custody - and few of them have been released [compared to those the US got]. They are now mostly stored in a special archive in Moscow. Access there is now possible, but not easy, yet the few who have gone have found all kinds of treasures. [and the other half of pieces to puzzles the Western half contained] Of course, parallel with some of those the US has, the ones that are 'secret' from the victors point of view [formerly Geheim of the vanquished] are kept segregated and denied, until 'needed'. Lastly, Germany today really doesn't want more light to be focused on Der Spinne, The Org, Gehlen, and the various fates and activities of other Nazis after the War, generally.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lastly, Germany today really doesn't want more light to be focused on Der Spinner, The Org, Gehlen, and the various fates and activities of other Nazis after the War, generally.
Peter, you probably mean "Die Spinne" (the spider). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Spinne
A surprisingly good wikipedia article regarding ratlines is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)

Juan Peron's role in giving refuge to Nazis in Argentina is also worth expanding on, as is the Vatican's role.
The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".
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Carsten Wiethoff Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lastly, Germany today really doesn't want more light to be focused on Die Spinne, The Org, Gehlen, and the various fates and activities of other Nazis after the War, generally.
Peter, you probably mean "Die Spinne" (the spider). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Spinne
A surprisingly good wikipedia article regarding ratlines is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II)

Juan Peron's role in giving refuge to Nazis in Argentina is also worth expanding on, as is the Vatican's role.

Yes, sorry, still early in morning...Die Spinne. Dulles and his friends had a lot to do with all this too....Skorzeny and others....it really was a spider's network - and while perhaps mostly ex-Nazis, including many who were not!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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A colleague of Himmler in the project the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini is the person Malcolm Little aka Malcolm X aka El Hajj Malik Al-Shabazz found charming in 1955.

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Malcolm had a son. I stipulate on a growing body of research it was DBA OBAMA:

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I have no doubt all manner of parties participated in events described in this thread.

History does not end.

The world hasn't heard from us, has it?

Malcolm said

you can rest assured that what I've already set in motion will never be stopped
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Phil,

judging from your Facebook page and some of your comments at Free Republic, you have more than a low opinion of the current POTUS. as well as the Malcom X quote

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The Malcom X quote -- you can rest assured that what I've already set in motion will never be stopped -- in your previous post implies a some kind of connection between the Grand Mufti, Malcom X, and finally Obama. I get the idea Obama is going to complete the program started by the GM. Am I right? You write in aphorisms, so I might well not be getting it.

EDIT: It sounds like to me from your other sources that your main concern about Obama is that he is going to turn us away from being a Christian nation. Once again, your aphoristic style is at times difficult for me.

Free Republic link: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:phild...=no-change
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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The purpose of this lie is to serve the purposes of "DBA 0bama" and the crew who put him there.

Malcolm Little aka Malcolm X aka El Hajj Malik Al-Shabazz boasted what he'd set in motion couldn't be undone.

He found the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem "charming"--MX found the man who convinced Hitler and Himmler to gas and burn the Jews "charming."

MX called for a "Mau Mau" all over the United States.

He associated with Islamists and Communists.

His son is engaged in the destruction of America, capitalism, Christianity, freedom in the world.

Remember, infidels, Ft. Hood is, to this president, an act of "workplace violence."

The first president in U.S. history to totally blow off Christian holidays and to celebrate only muslim ones.

Promising to "be more flexible" with Vlad the KGB Stalinophile.

This business of determining identity is nothing less than survival of freedom.

The subject of this thread is DBA OBAMA--who is he and what is he doing?


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"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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As seen in Preparata, Conjuring, Hitler was foreseen, financed, performed beyond expectations, perhaps the Grand Mufti and Heinrich Himmler were a sidebar. Hitler was allowed to work on Soviet Russia for three years like paint remover, then rinsed off with the blood of the Americans held back until June, 1944, and that of the highly motivated Red Army in its Patriotic War.

Now comes the transcendant postpolitical phenomenon accepted with vast expectations, presenting as a double-edged sword for the Islamic force and the Communist force; each drips from his rhetoric and is the only turgid force in his actions.

Yes he is come to announce America is no longer a Christian nation in so many words. He is come to replace the Constitution with the Etch-A-Sketch of a familiar dialectic.

And researchers have disassembled his myth (Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., of Kenya, and Stanley Ann Dunham, of Mercer Island.) His father is El Hajj Malik Al-Shabazz and his mother a Lebanese actress whose father was an Arabist at American University of Beirut.

He is a change agent. In that he may be said to have told the truth, even as it is said that Hitler's Mein Kampf contained a relatively accurate forecast of future outcomes.

I submit DBA OBAMA is every bit the tool that Hitler was. That each was identified as a useful narcissist and encouraged.

Now, before one says that Hitler was not specifically targeted I submit Allen Dulles having downplayed the threat of Hitler circa 1930 as he obtained a lone of 20 million dollars for Germany. We have seen in Conjuring that for the longest time the West funded and supported Germany and National Socialism.

DBA OBAMA is certain that he will accomplish victories for Islam and will settle scores with classes per his indoctrination under Davis and later his Alinsky training.

When I see the 2004 CFR paper Iran: Time for a New Approach by Zbigniew Brzezinski and Robert Gates (two supposedly political opposites) and see DBA OBAMA giving Iran a pass, while replacing secular regimes with Islamic ones, I see a plan coming together.

One plan spanned the Versaille-Reichstag Bunker Bridge. A follow-on brought us to Boris Yeltsin and the fall of the Wall.

But Tiananman Square put Beijing outside the new plan. While terrorism filled the void which ecoactivism alone could not.

DBA OBAMA is the lye vat in the pulping process.

New currencies will hum through the presses inked as ever with blood.

It's not fried, Momma, it's Shake-N-Bake, 'n' I hepped.
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