John Lennon would be 70 today

[Dawn Meredith]

Another fucking sad anniversary.

And justice for none.

[Albert Doyle]

One thing you can count on with the brave free American public is when the evidence becomes clear for a Manchurian Candidate assassination they will show no interest in it and leave you flapping in the wind murdered while they drive around with patriotic flag propaganda symbols.

[Charles Drago]

Truth be told, I'm having a hard time keeping all the "Albert's" straight.

This one reads like the historic "Doyle." But who knows?

All we can be certain of is this: Any post over the "Albert Doyle" signature remains suspect in terms of the identities and agendas of the person or persons who wrote it.

[Peter Lemkin]

I live currently in a major European city formerly in the communist bloc, having chosen [or having it chosen for me] to leave the US....long story don't care to go into here and now.....Anyway, I used to live around the block from the famous 'Lennon Wall'. It started just after Lennon was shot as a memorial on a long, high stretch of blank wall that surrounds the [get this!] Sovereign Order of the Knights of Malta's Embassy. Anyway, that doesn't play into this plot. Because part of the wall has a form on it that resembles in size and shape a tombstone, someone with good artistic talents came at night during the Communist period here and painted a lovely image of John Lennon above the 'tombstone' and what resembled what one would put on a tombstone on that slight 'bump' in the wall shaped like one. Others who revered Lennon and were saddened at his assassination added to the artistic graffito, and soon the wall was full of tributes in words and images to JL. The Communists here had forbidden the sale of Beatles or Lennon's music and were upset. They had some painters paint over all that work and the wall was again its usual blank beige. The next night the artwork was back. The next day it was re-painted. This cat and mouse game went on in various ways for literally years. It is in every guidebook and when I walked past to walk my dog about twice per day, the wall is still highly photographed and painted upon [now no longer painted over by the authorities, but painted over by other painters]. The point I wanted to make is that usually I walk by silently observing the reactions. Most just think it cute or camp and take a photo with no thought of Lennon's death - or what he meant in life [most are too young...but not all, for sure]. A few shed a tear - but that is rare and most of these are my age. On more than one [in fact many] occasion I have spoken to singles, groups and tour groups and told them the truth of the assassination, unsolicited; that it was not a 'lone nut' what did it. Most, but not all, react as if I'm a madman spouting total nonsense. While those visiting the Lennon Wall are from every country imaginable, about 20% are American, They, more than most, react negatively to my words, British next, Western Europeans act rather neutral, and those from developing nations most receptive to my rant. Sadly, only a few have ever really engaged me about it or asked for references, etc. A minority of the artists really 'get it' and some pour their hearts into their work. I've seen some on ladders working for days on end, but sadly to most viewing it, all is fine in our giant Potemkin Village, and the officials don't lie, and they do take our best interests to heart.
....Imagine!

[Dawn Meredith]

Truth be told, I'm having a hard time keeping all the "Albert's" straight.

This one reads like the historic "Doyle." But who knows?

All we can be certain of is this: Any post over the "Albert Doyle" signature remains suspect in terms of the identities and agendas of the person or persons who wrote it.

The only "agenda" exhibited here is our feelings for a man we loved.

This Albert paranoia has gone far enough. I see a person who, like many of us, sometimes posts in haste and at other times puts more thought into a post.

That is MY opinion.

Dawn

[Albert Doyle]

I took real pleasure in going to the Dakota in August and looking the doorman in the eye and saying "The CIA killed John Lennon."


I noticed his body language in reaction was not one of concern over a nut speaking out but was one of quiet acknowledgement of the truth in the statement. One of being caught in between in something he knew was true but couldn't respond to while on the job.

[Greg Burnham]

I took real pleasure in going to the Dakota in August and looking the doorman in the eye and saying "The CIA killed John Lennon."


I noticed his body language in reaction was not one of concern over a nut speaking out but was one of quiet acknowledgement of the truth in the statement. One of being caught in between in something he knew was true but couldn't respond to while on the job.

"You" are complete idiots.


Climb aboard.

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[Jan Klimkowski]

Albert - the terminology matters.

With respect, in my judgement the phrase "MK-ULTRA programmed himself" mixes oranges and apples in a deeply unhelpful way.

I don't see what the big deal is. The example was obviously figurative. Besides, in the MK-ULTRA LSD world apples can very easily morph into oranges. It's a very indeterminate place.

Because mind control programming involves, at the very least, a programmer and a subject.

If someone takes drugs and becomes psychotic, that person has not "MK-ULTRA programmed himself". Your statement is highly misleading.

The main point being the point Chapman's mind had reached was similar to that induced by the MK Mengele's.

Albert - the fundamental point is whether Chapman was programmed by another person. Or not. If not, then "MK Mengeles" (whatever that phrase may mean) have nothing to do with it.

However, describing this as "MK-ULTRA self programming" does not aid our understanding of this process. The common cultural phrase for such a person is Acid Casualty.

Would not an MK-ULTRA victim also be an "acid casualty" of sorts?

No.

Syd Barrett was an acid casulty.

Syd Barrett was not, in the absence of new evidence, an MK-ULTRA casualty.

This is splitting hairs. The real business here is evidence Bresler found of typical CIA involvement in Chapman's being set-up as a Sirhan-like lunatic. What I find most telling about it is no one ever challenged Bresler's evidence.

It's absolutely not splitting hairs. Your argument is muddying the waters, rather than making the waters clearer.

Given recent developments, I am inclined to view this exchange as revealing more than bone-headed stupidity and the stubbornness of an ass...

The exchange took place on p3-4 of this thread.

[Dawn Meredith]

"Imagine all the people living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one"

Thirty three years ago today my life was shattered by this assassination.

[Peter Lemkin]

"Imagine all the people living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one"

Thirty three years ago today my life was shattered by this assassination.

It was for me another of the all-too-many political assassinations by the Secret and Deep Political Cabal. It was another moment of deep sadness. Nixon might have given the nod or just the 'OK' on this one.....most of the others were cooked-up and carried way above Presidential level. Presidents since JFK are only compliant puppets and need not be consulted on such important matters of 'state'.

A few posts above, I mentioned the 'Lennon Wall' in Prague. It now has become just a graffiti wall....and most all images of Lennon and his words, usually present, are covered over with self-indulgent and childish messages. I still tell many there [large groups, all the time] that the assassination was deeper than they think or know....most just look at me as if I'm insane. (The MSM told me what happened...get a clue old man.) Knowing the Truth today puts one in most others' category of 'insane'.

Imagine.