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The Dirty War On The Rock Stars Included Rolling Stones
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...more than one way to 'assassinate' someone or a group...

How the Acid King Confessed he DID Set Up Rolling Stones Drug Bust for MI5 and FBI
23rd October 2010

” … Sniderman was a Toronto-born failed actor who told his family and friends he was recruited by British and American intelligence as part of a plot to discredit the group. … “

By Sharon Churcher and Peter Sheridan
Daily Mail | October 24, 2010

It is one of the most intriguing chapters in the history of the Rolling Stones.

The drugs raid on a party at guitarist Keith Richards’s Sussex home, Redlands, more than 40 years ago very nearly destroyed the band. And one of the 1967 episode’s unexplained mysteries was the identity of the man blamed by Richards and Mick Jagger for setting them up, a young drug dealer known as the Acid King.

Crime scene: Mick Jagger and Keith Richards outside Redlands, the home that was raided by police in 1967

He was a guest at the party – and supplied the drugs – but vanished after the raid, never to be seen or heard of again.

Jagger and Richards were arrested and jailed for possession of cannabis and amphetamines, though later acquitted on appeal.

Richards claimed last week in his autobiography, Life, that the Acid King was a police informant called David Sniderman.

The truth appears to confirm Richards’s long-held belief that the band was targeted by an Establishment fearful of its influence over the nation’s youth.

The Mail on Sunday can reveal that Sniderman was a Toronto-born failed actor who told his family and friends he was recruited by British and American intelligence as part of a plot to discredit the group.

After the Redlands bust, he slipped out of Britain and moved to the States where he changed his name to David Jove, and lived in Hollywood, later working as a small-time producer and film-maker.

Informant: David Jove pictured with his wife Lotus Weinstock at a family wedding

Maggie Abbott, a Sixties talent agent, met him in Los Angeles in 1983 and became his lover. He told her how he infiltrated the group but said he was now ‘on the run’.

She said: ‘David was a heavy drug user but had a quick wit. He was the perfect choice to infiltrate the Stones.’

He never showed any remorse for what he did. It was all about how he had been “the victim”. He was a totally selfish person.

‘Mick had been my friend as well as a client and I thought about trying to persuade David to come clean publicly.

‘But he was always armed with a handgun and I feared that if I gave him away, he’d shoot me.’

His identity was confirmed by a scion of a family of American philanthropists, James Weinstock.

Two years after the Redlands raid, ‘Dave Jove’ married Mr Weinstock’s sister, Lotus, in Britain.

‘They’d come up with some new way to make acid and decided to go to the UK and sell it,’ she said. But David was caught carrying pot by Customs.

‘Some other guys turned up – he implied they were MI5 or MI6 – and they gave him an ultimatum: he’d get out of prison time if he set up the Stones.’

The British agents were in cahoots, he told Miss Abbott, with the FBI’s notorious Counterintelligence division, known as Cointelpro, which specialised in discrediting American groups deemed to be ‘subversive’.

On Christmas Day in 1969, ‘Jove’s’ new wife, Lotus, gave birth to a daughter, Lili. Their marriage lasted 18 years, though they never lived together.

‘I first met David when I returned to California from Bali, where I had gone searching for God,’ said James Weinstock, Lotus’s brother.

‘One New Year’s Eve, he showed me a gun and said he’d just killed a man who was messing with his car.’ Later he was rumoured to have murdered a TV personality, Peter Ivers, the presenter of a TV show that ‘Jove’ produced.

Miss Abbott said: ‘There was talk that Peter had decided to leave the show and David was angry. ‘I discovered “Jove” wasn’t David’s real name when he shot himself through his heel with his gun.

‘When we checked him into hospital, he used a made-up name and later I found out his real name was Sniderman.’



His first half-hearted admission was to Mr Weinstock: ‘He told me he was tight with the Rolling Stones in England, but had a falling-out with them,’ he said.

‘He was arrested for some serious offence, but managed to extricate himself, and he said it all looked very suspicious when the police busted the Rolling Stones. They froze him out after that.’

In 1985, Miss Abbott and an old friend, Marianne Faithfull, went out for dinner in Los Angeles.

Miss Abbott introduced her to ‘Jove’ – but Ms Faithfull soon told her she wanted to leave.

Miss Abbott says: ‘When we got into my car, she said, “It’s him, the Acid King. He set up the Redlands bust. Don’t ever see him again”. ’

Miss Abbott added: ‘Two months after the evening with Marianne, I finally had it out with him.
‘To my amazement, he told me everything. He said, “It’s a relief to be able to talk about it”. ’

‘Jove’s’ final confession was made to his daughter, Lili Haydn, now a 40-year-old rock violinist. She said: ‘Shortly before his death he said he was the Acid King.

‘He told me he wasn’t a drug dealer. He felt he was expanding the consciousness of some of the greatest minds of his day.’

Later in his life he was ostracised by his glamorous LA set after his drug use became ‘voluminous’.

He died alone in 2004.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...5-FBI.html
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A different take on the RS:

Quote:Rock's fake rebels :The Rolling Stones were always more reactionary than revolutionary, as Keith Richards proves

Dorian Lynskey

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 17 October 2010

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/oc...ing-stones

Like many national landmarks, Keith Richards is regarded fondly because he never really changes. You see him and you think: ah yes, that's what rock'n'roll stars do. Even as he increasingly resembles a character from Jim Henson's Creature Shop, the 66-year-old guitarist can be relied on to maintain such long-cherished habits as smoking, drinking and being amusingly rude about Mick Jagger. Decades removed from when he was considered a threat to the morals of the nation's youth, his hellraising exploits seem cosy. These days it is not his lifestyle that has the capacity to raise eyebrows but his politics.

On Friday he told an interviewer that he had sent Tony Blair a letter of encouragement to "stick to his guns" over Iraq, back when most musicians were either opposing the war or maintaining a discreet silence. On Saturday, in an extract from his new memoir Life, he wrote about his love for Anita Pallenberg, and her physical abuse by his bandmate Brian Jones. "If I were Brian," he reflected, "I would have been a little bit sweeter and kept the bitch." The real villain of the piece is Jones, who died in 1969, but the language still startles.

Richards' attitudes towards women seem to have been preserved in aspic around the time England last won the World Cup. You could get away with a lot in a pop song back then. If anyone today released songs like the Hollies' Stop Stop Stop, a chirpy ditty about molesting a belly dancer, or Gary Puckett's creepy No 1 smash Young Girl, the Top 10 would start to look like the sex offenders register. Yet even by the standards of the time, the Rolling Stones were foul to women, from the putdowns and power games of Under My Thumb and Stupid Girl (which Richards attributed to being surrounded by "too many dumb chicks") to the lurid fantasies of Midnight Rambler and Brown Sugar.

Unlike, say, the Beatles' Run for Your Life, the misogyny was not an unfortunate, swiftly regretted blip. The Stones' unpleasantness was integral to their uncanny power. In an era when many young people saw rock stars as potential heroes of the revolution, the Rolling Stones appealed to less altruistic desires: sex and money. If the Beatles were rock's questing superego, then the Stones were the slavering id.

In the fervid atmosphere of the late 60s, not everybody recognized to what extent this was true. Because the Stones' songs sometimes sounded like revolution (largely thanks to the dark drama of Richards' guitar playing), many critics leapt to false conclusions. When Jagger briefly dabbled in politics during 1968, attending an anti-war demonstration in Grosvenor Square and telling the Sunday Mirror that "there should be no such thing as private property", some activists got carried away with the idea that the Stones were insurrectionists: Tariq Ali's radical magazine Black Dwarf even printed the lyrics to Street Fighting Man next to a few lines from Engels. How wrong they were.

In 1970, the critic George Melly concluded that rock'n'roll was "a fake revolt with no programme much beyond the legalization of pot." I doubt Richards quibbled with that verdict. "Politics is what we were trying to get away from," he said at the time. True enough, Jagger dropped his radical rhetoric, and moved on to the big obsession of rock's next decade: making as much money as humanly possible. John Pasche's 1970 illustration of the singer's tongue and lips became the perfect example of band-as-brand. In their bald misogyny, the Stones might have seemed like throwbacks, but in their commercial empire-building they were pioneers.

So we shouldn't be surprised by Richards' reactionary words. While Jagger has often told people what they want to hear, Richards tells the truth of the Rolling Stones. He represents the side of rock music that is amoral, hedonistic, self-serving and red in tooth and claw, offering in place of noble aspirations a guiltier, more primal thrill: the licence not to give a damn.

Dorian Lynskey's book on music and politics, 33 Revolutions Per Minute, will appear in March 2011
"There are three sorts of conspiracy: by the people who complain, by the people who write, by the people who take action. There is nothing to fear from the first group, the two others are more dangerous; but the police have to be part of all three,"

Joseph Fouche
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Interesting story Peter. Similar to the involvement of the SIS in 'The Bank Job' S.O.P.
Thanks for posting that Paul. I never liked the Stones. Except for a few they were unoriginal musically mostly cloning others better than them. Once I knew that Jagger started out at the LSE doing a degree in economics and business I knew it was all fake. Middle class kids trying to slum it. And misogynist shits the lot of them one a likely pedophile to boot.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:I never liked the Stones. Except for a few they were unoriginal musically mostly cloning others better than them. Once I knew that Jagger started out at the LSE doing a degree in economics and business I knew it was all fake. Middle class kids trying to slum it. And misogynist shits the lot of them one a likely pedophile to boot.

Yup.

However, leverage is always important to the spooks, and the Stones once had "revolutionary street cred" even if it was undeserved.

For more on Brian Jones, hypnotic trance states, and Luciferian filmmaking - see here:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...#post10038
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
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"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Curiously:

Quote:Eccentric Irish aristocrat whose book The Flying Saucers Have Landed underpinned the New Age movement.

DESMOND LESLIE, who has died aged 79, was a celebrated Irish eccentric and self-styled "discologist" best known for his book The Flying Saucers Have Landed (1953), which became a key text of the New Age movement.

And:

Quote:For all his enthusiasm for UFOs, Leslie was no zealot and enjoyed all the pleasures of life, imaginative conversation above all. He published several other books, including Hold Back the Night, and The Jesus File. In 1963, he moved back to Castle Leslie, where in a bid to restore its finances he opened a night club, Annabel's on the Bog, and entertained such house guests as Marianne Faithfull and Mick Jagger. A gifted musician, he also experimented with Musique Concrete, using samples of recorded natural sounds.

Extracted FROM

If memory serves, the ever so haunted (it is claimed) Castle Leslie was where Elizabethan bestseller "Faery Queen" penned under the "good" pen-name of one Edmund Spencer is said to have been written. There continues to be a strong body of opinion that the real author was Sir Francis Bacon who was a close and intimate friend of the Elizabethan magus, Dr. John Dee.

I imagine that a bit of sleuthing on the Leslie clan and Leslie Castle may turn up some interesting occult connections - besides it ghosts (which are, of course, attractive for the occult ceremonies anyway).
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
Magda Hassan Wrote:I never liked the Stones. Except for a few they were unoriginal musically mostly cloning others better than them. Once I knew that Jagger started out at the LSE doing a degree in economics and business I knew it was all fake. Middle class kids trying to slum it. And misogynist shits the lot of them one a likely pedophile to boot.

Yup.

However, leverage is always important to the spooks, and the Stones once had "revolutionary street cred" even if it was undeserved.

For more on Brian Jones, hypnotic trance states, and Luciferian filmmaking - see here:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...#post10038

I also was NOT a R.S. fan. I think one song of theirs I ever listened to much......but they were popular and they were apparently yet another target - that was my point. There was and there IS a silent war on a generation and a different way of looking at America and the World......it goes much further than most who even understand who killed JFK or may have brought down the WTC can conceive. It has been, and it is, a kind of total warfare. IMO
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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