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Royal Family granted new right of secrecy
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Royal Family granted new right of secrecy

Special exemptions to be written into Freedom of Information Act
By Robert Verkaik, Home Affairs Editor

Saturday, 8 January 2011

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The Royal Family is to be granted absolute protection from public scrutiny in a controversial legal reform designed to draw a veil of secrecy over the affairs of the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William


The Royal Family is to be granted absolute protection from public scrutiny in a controversial legal reform designed to draw a veil of secrecy over the affairs of the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William.
Letters, emails and documents relating to the monarch, her heir and the second in line to the throne will no longer be disclosed even if they are in the public interest.
Sweeping changes to the Freedom of Information Act will reverse advances which had briefly shone a light on the royal finances including an attempt by the Queen to use a state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace and which had threatened to force the disclosure of the Prince of Wales's prolific correspondence with ministers.
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Lobbying and correspondence from junior staff working for the Royal Household and Prince Charles will now be held back from disclosure. Buckingham Palace confirmed that it had consulted with the Coalition Government over the change in the law. The Government buried the plan for "added protection" for the Royal Family in the small print of plans called "opening up public bodies to public scrutiny".
Maurice Frankel, head of the Campaign for Freedom of Information, said that since the change referred to communications written on behalf of the Queen and Prince Charles it might be possible for "park keepers working in the royal parks" to be spared public scrutiny of their letters written to local authorities.
The decision to push through the changes also raises questions about the sincerity of the Liberal Democrats' commitment to government transparency. In opposition, senior Liberal Democrats frequently lined up to champion the Freedom of Information Act after it came into force in 2005.
Ian Davidson, a former member of Parliament's Public Accounts Committee (PAC), told The Independent: "I'm astonished that the Government should find time to seek to cover up royal finances. When I was on the PAC what we wanted was more disclosure not less.
"Every time we examined royal finances we found extravagance and indulgence as well as abuse of expenses by junior royals.
"Everywhere we looked, there were savings to be made for the Government. This sends the wrong message about public disclosure and accountability."
Paul Flynn, another member of the committee, described the special protection for the Royals as "indefensible". He said: "I don't think it serves the interests of the public or the Royal Family very well."
Mr Frankel said he believed that Prince Charles was the driving force behind the new law.
"The heir to the throne has written letters to government departments in an attempt to influence policy," he said.
"He clearly does not want these to get into the public domain."
Later this month, lawyers for the Cabinet Office, backed by Prince Charles, will go to court to continue to resist Freedom of Information requests of ministers to publish letters written to them by the Prince of Wales.
A spokesman for Buckingham Palace said that the change to the law was necessary because the Freedom of Information Act had failed to protect the constitutional position of the monarch and the heir to the throne. He explained that the sovereign has the right and duty to be consulted, to encourage and warn the government, and by extension, the heir to the throne had the constitutional right and duty to prepare himself for the role of King.
"This constitutional position relies on confidentiality, so that all such correspondence remains confidential," he said.
But he said that change would also mean that correspondence not covered by the absolute exemption would be made public 10 years earlier than under the current disclosure rules.
The Palace's position was backed by Professor Vernon Bogdanor, research professor at King's College London.
He told The Independent: "The essence of constitutional monarchy is that the Queen and other members of the Royal Family remain politically neutral. The Queen meets the Prime Minister once a week, when both are in London, to discuss government policy.
"The heir to the throne has the right, and perhaps the duty, to question ministers on policy so as to prepare himself for the throne. Such discussions are only possible if they remain confidential. Otherwise the neutrality of the Queen and of the Prince of Wales could be undermined.
"When the Queen meets the Prime Minister, no one else is present not even the Queen's Private Secretary. For this reason, it is right that the Royal Family should be exempt from FOI."
The Government claimed that the thrust of the changes announced yesterday would make it "easier for people to use FOI to find and use information about the public bodies they rely on and their taxes pay for".
The Ministry of Justice intends to increase the number of organisations to which FOI requests can be made, bringing in bodies such as the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Financial Services Ombudsman, and the higher education admissions body UCAS, and also all companies wholly owned by any number of public authorities.
In the public interest? The stories they didn't want us to know
*In 2004 the Queen asked ministers for a poverty handout to help heat her palaces but was rebuffed because they feared it would be a public relations disaster. Royal aides were told that the £60m worth of energy-saving grants were aimed at families on low incomes and if the money was given to Buckingham Palace instead of housing associations or hospitals it could lead to "adverse publicity" for the Queen and the government.
*A "financial memorandum" formalising the relationship between the sovereign and ministers set out tough terms on how the Queen can spend the £38.2m handed over by Parliament each year to pay for her staff and occupied palaces.
*The Queen requested more public money to pay for the upkeep of her crumbling palaces while allowing minor royals and courtiers to live in rent-free accommodation.
*As early as 2004 Sir Alan Reid, the Keeper of the Privy Purse, had unsuccessfully put the case to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport for a substantial increase in the £15m-a-year grant to maintain royal buildings.
*The Palace planned to go ahead with refurbishing and renting the apartment of Diana, Princess of Wales at Kensington Palace after it had lain empty since her death in 1997.
*A letter exchange revealed a tussle over who has control of £2.5m gained from the sale of Kensington Palace land. Ministers said it belonged to the state, while Buckingham Palace said it belonged to the Queen.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/hom...79148.html
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LOL absolute secrecy...so now when they are on video they will be blacked-out...great! When attending official functions they will be under black tent-like structures - great! And when they make their un-memorable mumblings these will be bleeped out and the print version redacted - I say hip hip hooray! :rofl:

I suppose this is retroactive to cover Diana's death. and various financial and other scandals WWII to present and on into the future.....:gossip:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Oh boy. Progress reversed in an instant.

Mustn't have serf-kind knowing what vile filth their betters are up to I suppose...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:Oh boy. Progress reversed in an instant.

Mustn't have serf-kind knowing what vile filth their betters are up to I suppose...

Sign of the times, David; sign of the times!......:e=mc2:

Well, I'm sure in the Windsor properties there is great sigh of relief.....as now they can have orgies, kill, steal, watch pornography, have affairs, whatever....and it will be D-notices to all and worse who DARE to report, photo, or record in any manner. Just what is it with that German family, pretending to be British, anyway? Just who do they think they are?! An anachronism if not made only figureheads or removed, would be better, IMO.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Forelock tugging times will soon be back in vogue...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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David Guyatt Wrote:Forelock tugging times will soon be back in vogue...

Hmmm, I thought we'd already moved retrograde past that....guess is depends where one is....British reserve, perhaps. No doubt soon, there. As you hint, this move to make your ROYALTY :fullofit: as there were back many centuries ago is really the time machine in 'reverse' gone mad and locked at full speed! Forward, into the Past!!!! Move those tourists out of the Tower of London...renovate....as Dungeons will soon be populated again in short order. Beheadings too.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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There is also a lot of talk about Charles, divorcing again, lots of gay rumors...but this is probably mostly about Di. And her murder. Or some new war the US and UK are embarking upon...WW 111?

Dawn
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Dawn Meredith Wrote:There is also a lot of talk about Charles, divorcing again, lots of gay rumors...but this is probably mostly about Di. And her murder. Or some new war the US and UK are embarking upon...WW 111?

Dawn

The British Royal Family, if they really want to make some 'real' money, will sell their life stories to some soap opera.......talking BIG bucks here!................. In my lifetime, Diana was the ONLY one who I had any empathy with....naturally that would be in keeping with her murder most foul. At best they are spoiled brats and brattesses[?]....at worst.....well....I'll not say.....but most here know.

I always vomit when the BBC announces that they are now switching to their 'royal reporter'...... the world could be close to war; millions could be dying, but we have to hear [in received English] how exciting the married to be [or whatever....] are doing or going to be doing...who the f cares! I can think of no other major county who has not made their vestigial 'royalty' into de-fanged and ceremonial positions....well, the House of Orange, come to think of it, has all too much money, as well!!!!!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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