Al-Qaeda leader Bin Laden 'dead'. Again.

[Helen Reyes]

Whatever the "raid" was, it appears that a Blackhawk helicopter modified with Stealth technology was used, and - highly embarrassingly for the US military - crashed or was shot down.

It could also be a large drone. Here's a scenario:

Drone sent to Akbar Khan "compound" shot down by nearby Pakistani military antiaircraft. US responds with SEAL or whatever team, assassinates the tenant and several of his sons, White House sticks to original story bin Laden was there, Pakistani forces arrive on scene as US team escapes, arrest unkilled residents. CIA loyalists in ISI take charge of custody and claim the detained family members are bin Ladens. US dumps body after realizing it can't be anybody of importance and to cover up multiple war crimes. White House staff cruise 4chan archives for dead bin Laden photoshops, then give them to senators and trusted press. 4channers chafe at the non-attribution while laughing at the coup, they and others cruise images.google.com and other graphic search engines and easily prove fakes are fake. White House changes story multiple times, denies releasing 4chan photoshops and then says no photos will be released. Then WH backtracks and releases video of Akbar Khan watching something on television plus a few shelved bin Laden videos produced for political effects in the past by CIA subcontractors but never used. With no evidence to support any of their claims, CIA and WH station chief Obama-Soetoro make the appeal to authority, "we wouldn't lie," and say anyone who disagrees is mentally ill.

Under this scenario the REAL corpse of bin Laden, deceased ca. 2001, remains on ice or was never recovered.

[Peter Lemkin]

Whatever the "raid" was, it appears that a Blackhawk helicopter modified with Stealth technology was used, and - highly embarrassingly for the US military - crashed or was shot down.

It could also be a large drone. Here's a scenario:

Drone sent to Akbar Khan "compound" shot down by nearby Pakistani military antiaircraft. US responds with SEAL or whatever team, assassinates the tenant and several of his sons, White House sticks to original story bin Laden was there, Pakistani forces arrive on scene as US team escapes, arrest unkilled residents. CIA loyalists in ISI take charge of custody and claim the detained family members are bin Ladens. US dumps body after realizing it can't be anybody of importance and to cover up multiple war crimes. White House staff cruise 4chan archives for dead bin Laden photoshops, then give them to senators and trusted press. 4channers chafe at the non-attribution while laughing at the coup, they and others cruise images.google.com and other graphic search engines and easily prove fakes are fake. White House changes story multiple times, denies releasing 4chan photoshops and then says no photos will be released. Then WH backtracks and releases video of Akbar Khan watching something on television plus a few shelved bin Laden videos produced for political effects in the past by CIA subcontractors but never used. With no evidence to support any of their claims, CIA and WH station chief Obama-Soetoro make the appeal to authority, "we wouldn't lie," and say anyone who disagrees is mentally ill.

Under this scenario the REAL corpse of bin Laden, deceased ca. 2001, remains on ice or was never recovered.

Jan, all others, IF [BIG IF!] the photos of the 'helicopter' rear stabilizer are real, it was definitely helicopter, not normal Preditor drone....several at Janes and other such have given interviews on the 'exciting new unknown stealth helicopter technology' - and I have no reason to question their genuine interest and insights. It appears [at this time, IMHO] to have been a secret stealth helicopter that for reasons unknown crashed, was unable to exit and so was destroyed. We saw the tail end - the rest was either destroyed or behind visual barriers by the Pakistanis. I'm not an expert on helicopters, but did listen to a man for 30 minutes who was speaking on this tail section. He said it was 'unknown', unregistered, shorter rotors than normal [reduced noise] and had a cowling covering the rotors [damping the sound] - all stealth technology. It seems the whole helicopter was also covered with some substances and had shapes that make it [them] less visible to radar...[the Pakistanis did NOT notice them on the radar, apparently!]. :mexican: Similar landing in your back yard soon!... :pinkelephant: It is certainly possible a stealth helicopter could be remote controlled, with no humans - so a drone of sorts....and all the rest of your scenario are as likely as the one their telling in D.C.,,,and which keeps changing!

[Albert Doyle]

Discovery Channel is now showing a program on the raid on a computer graphic basis like a video game. This is all part of CIA taking-over of American airwaves and using subtle psychological programming to reduce the expectation of Americans to an assassination raid paradigm. I'm forced to say this is the Israeli standard that has been imported to America by their CIA partners. America now specializes in murdering unarmed victims with military death squads.

[Charles Drago]

99% correct.

[Ed Jewett]

Discovery Channel is now showing a program on the raid on a computer graphic basis like a video game. This is all part of CIA taking-over of American airwaves and using subtle psychological programming to reduce the expectation of Americans to an assassination raid paradigm. I'm forced to say this is the Israeli standard that has been imported to America by their CIA partners. America now specializes in murdering unarmed victims with military death squads.

As simply dazzling as cow manure.

How very appropriate it is, given its cousins:

• American boys sitting 'underground' in the US with joysticks in their laps (no, really, the ones that connect to XBox, not the teledildonics versions) which they use to pilot Predator drones, and
  
  
• American military folk having been trained to such an extent on simulators (since before Desert Storm, i.e., the late 80's) that there is now a 24/7/365 network (called in its inception DARWARS by its developers) of simulation warfare games that range from the global strategic down to the logistics and platoon-level maneuvering,
  
  
• the civilian "shooter" games that appear in the mass market and sometimes as grand displays in recruitment malls and which have been the subject of many an article,
  
  
• the use of "alternate reality games",
  
  
• the recreation of the Dealey Plaza shoot on ABC-TV with simulation,
  
  
• the creation of 9/11 attack simulations [http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/ ] at Purdue's SEAS labs. [See also http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/200...t-air.html ],
  
  
• the mesmerization and appeal to the subconscious that is alpha-wave-induction of television as discussed by the late Jack True and Jon Rappoport recently at http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2011/0...l-control/.
  

"The true value of serious simulation games and the range of other digital learning tools can best be judged by the extent to which they bring people to a higher level of dialogue, discovery, research, learning and collaboration after the game or learning encounter has ended."

That's the first sentence in the conclusion of a paper [found here http://www.iaem.com/documents/SimsandVCOPs1.pdf and cited in at least two locations] written several years ago on simulations and virtual communities of practice by a fellow who lives close at hand. :wavey:

[Jan Klimkowski]

Hmmm - this article, via informationclearinghouse, claims to be quoting a BBC report, the original of which seems to have disappeared.

So, I offer it without being able to vouch for its authenticity:

Adding further support to the notion that Pakistan was in on the mission, a number of local residents have confirmed to the BBC that they were visited by Pakistani army personnel two hours before the attack commenced, ordering them to switch off the lights inside and outside their homes and instructing them to stay indoors until they were informed it was safe to come out.

The report goes on to add-

Gen. David Petraeus paid an extraordinary visit to Islamabad on April 25," said a senior military official said. The official said Petraeus held a one-on-one meeting with Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief of staff, in which they discussed the details of the operation.

The next day, Pakistan's top military body the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee held its quarterly session, which was attended by Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the country's intelligence chief, who is not a regular member of the body. Pasha had visited the United States to meet with the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon Panetta, on April 11."

General Petraeus, who is preparing to take over as CIA Director, has yet to confirm or deny the report.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Coincidences - you have to love their resonant power....

Umar Patek, notorious "Al-Qaeda bomber", was arrested by Pakistan's ISI on January 25, 2011....

in...

wait for it.....

Abbottabad.

But the Americans deny Patek was in Abbottabad to meet Osama Bin Laden.

JAKARTA, Indonesia -- Officials here say a top Indonesian terror suspect arrested this year in the town where Osama bin Laden was killed this week was intending to meet the al-Qaida chief, although a senior American counterterrorism official said the two never met and Umar Patek's arrest in Abbottabad "appears to have been pure coincidence."

Indonesian and Pakistani intelligence officers said the arrest of Patek on Jan. 25 in Abbottabad by Pakistani officers did not lead to the American raid on bin Laden on Monday, but his arrest there may raise questions over how isolated bin Laden was in his final months.

Patek is wanted for his role in the 2002 Bali bombings and trained with al-Qaida in Pakistan before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in the United States. He is a key Southeast Asian militant and was one of the last on the run believed to have contacts with al-Qaida's central command.

"The information we have is that Umar Patek ... was in Pakistan with his Filipino wife trying to meet Osama Bin Laden," Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro told reporters Wednesday.

Chairul Akbar, an official at Indonesia's Anti-Terrorism Agency, earlier told the Associated Press that Patek and his wife traveled to Pakistan using false names Anis Alawi Jaafar and Fatima Zahra on August 30, 2010, aiming to meet Osama Bin Laden to get his "support and protection."

"He was instructed to go to Abbottabad to meet other militants," Akbar said.

Akbar said it was possible that Patek met al-Qaida leaders in January somewhere in Pakistan but that he did not meet with bin Laden himself.

"We have no indications whatsoever that Patek met with Bin Laden in Abbottabad," the American official told The Associated Press. The official spoke anonymously to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04...57548.html

But but but the Official Narrative suggests that Pakistan's ISI was sheltering Osama in a safe house in Abbottabad. So why did this same (treacherous and untrustworthy according to MSM) ISI arrest an "Al-Qaeda terrorist" in Abbottabad a few weeks earlier?

:bolt:

[Ed Jewett]

Hmmm - this article, via informationclearinghouse, claims to be quoting a BBC report, the original of which seems to have disappeared.

So, I offer it without being able to vouch for its authenticity:

Adding further support to the notion that Pakistan was in on the mission, a number of local residents have confirmed to the BBC that they were visited by Pakistani army personnel two hours before the attack commenced, ordering them to switch off the lights inside and outside their homes and instructing them to stay indoors until they were informed it was safe to come out.

The report goes on to add-

Gen. David Petraeus paid an extraordinary visit to Islamabad on April 25," said a senior military official said. The official said Petraeus held a one-on-one meeting with Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief of staff, in which they discussed the details of the operation.

The next day, Pakistan's top military body the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee held its quarterly session, which was attended by Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the country's intelligence chief, who is not a regular member of the body. Pasha had visited the United States to meet with the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon Panetta, on April 11."

General Petraeus, who is preparing to take over as CIA Director, has yet to confirm or deny the report.

Taking the first phrase of your quote -- "Adding further support to the notion that Pakistan was in on the mission, a number of local residents have confirmed to the BBC..." and putting it into the Google search engine shows that the reports are mirrored a number of places, including Information Clearing House, and seems to have been originated in Pakistan. As both Pakistan and the US are engaged in propagandistic posturing and are "armored" on the basis of all that has gone down there, that doesn't help pinpoint the veracity of anything. I did, however, see Felicity Arbuthnot's piece at GlobalResearch which notes that Obama was left-handed. But politically it's an ambidextrous situation.

[Carsten Wiethoff]

The original article seems to be from GlobalPost, dated May 5:
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/...laden-dead

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan Pakistani officials have told GlobalPost that the Pakistani army had full knowledge of the U.S. raid that led to the death of Osama bin Laden and that it played a larger role in the operation than previously acknowledged.
The statements run counter to the public position taken by officials in both Pakistan and the United States who have so far downplayed the role Pakistan's military and intelligence community had in the attack, saying that it was limited to a small amount of information sharing.
One senior military official, who asked not to be named because he is not permitted to speak to the press, said that Pakistani army troops were in fact providing backup support when the United States began its operations inside the compound where bin Laden had been staying, including sealing off the neighborhood where the compound was located.
Officials interviewed scoffed at the idea that Pakistan could have been unaware of the American operation.
"It's a no-fly zone," said a Pakistani intelligence official, referring to the area around bin Laden's mansion and the nearby military compound. "It is impossible for U.S. helicopters to fly over there without our knowledge and permission."
A Pakistan Air Force official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, rejected reports that U.S. special forces had jammed Pakistan's radar system in order to circumvent the no-fly zone.
"This is totally untrue. Neither our radars were jammed nor was any scrambling of any air force plane recorded," the official said, referring to the practice of launching aircraft in the event that the airspace has been breached. Some observers said the helicopters may have been equipped with stealth technology, but that has not been confirmed.
Residents in the area confirmed that the Pakistan army appeared to have at least some knowledge of the operation well before it began. Several residents said that two hours before the United States launched its attack, Pakistani army personnel ordered them to switch off their lights inside and outside their homes and remain indoors until further notice.
"The army personnel cordoned off the entire area long before we heard the sounds of helicopters hovering over the area," said Zulfikar Ahmed, who lives in the Abbottabad neighborhood of Bilal Town, where bin Laden's compound is located. Locals interviewed by the BBC and several other local and international media outlets made similar statements.


Several meetings leading up to the attack, when viewed in sum, also indicate that Pakistan might have known of the operation beforehand.
"Gen. David Petraeus paid an extraordinary visit to Islamabad on April 25," said a senior military official said. The official said Petraeus held a one-on-one meeting with Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan's army chief of staff, in which they discussed the details of the operation.
The next day, Pakistan's top military body the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee held its quarterly session, which was attended by Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the country's intelligence chief, who is not a regular member of the body. Pasha had visited the United States to meet with the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Leon Panetta, on April 11.
Analysts in Pakistan said that the Pakistani government likely wanted to hide its role in the operation to avoid a backlash from the public, which has grown increasingly impatient with the United States and the growing presence of the Central Intelligence Agency inside their country.
But now international pressure is growing on the military to answer not only for its lack of support in the raid but also for not knowing about bin Laden's hideout, which was located close to the Pakistan Military Academy. Some in the military which has long been one of the more respected institutions in the country are looking to correct the record.
U.S. President Barack Obama has sought to diffuse the tension since the raid took place, calling Pakistan an important ally and highlighting the intelligence sharing between the two countries that helped lead the United States to bin Laden's compound.
In his speech on Sunday announcing bin Laden's death, Obama recognized Pakistan's cooperation.
"It's important to note that our counterterrorism cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden and the compound where he was hiding," the president said.
When contacted by GlobalPost about this latest information, the White House press office said all details about the operation have already been released.
White House spokesman Jay Carney on Wednesday said the United States' relationship with Pakistan was "complicated," but that it was important to maintain.
"The fight is not done, and we look forward to cooperating with Pakistan in the future," he said at a White House press briefing. "As others have said, more terrorists have been killed on Pakistani soil than probably any other country. And the cooperation we've received from Pakistan has been very useful in that regard."
The European Union on Thursday also came to the defense of Pakistan, calling the country an "important partner," echoing similar statements from officials at NATO that were made on Wednesday.
Experts and analysts here in Islamabad said that the Pakistani government itself, which is concerned about appearing overly friendly with the United States and angering its citizens, is likely encouraging the United States to downplay Pakistan's involvement in finding bin Laden and the eventual operation against him.
In fact, analysts said, the Pakistani government has long been trying to compose a storyline that it is actively working against the United States an effort that is aimed at keeping the country's population from rising up against the political leadership. Pakistanis have grown tired of U.S. involvement in its affairs in the last decade and ongoing drone attacks in its northern tribal belt that have killed numerous civilians.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Salman Bashir, for example, told reporters Thursday that the Pakistani military first learned about the operation when a U.S. helicopter crashed at the start of the attack.
"Pakistan's civilian and military leadership does not want to be the center of hatred, not only within Pakistan … but also in the Arab world," where it believes elements of the population still support bin Laden, said Najam Sethi, a political analyst in Pakistan.
But many here said this strategy could, in the end, hurt the country by making it appear more culpable than it actually is a reality that is already beginning to take shape as the American media, and some members of Congress, asks why Pakistan hasn't been more helpful.
In the wake of all of the criticism, some here are now calling on Pakistan's leaders to be more forthcoming about their cooperation with the United States, especially in regard to Sunday's raid.
"If Pakistan or U.S. officials do not publicize the cooperation between the two sides in the operation against bin Laden, Pakistan will be in serious trouble on the diplomatic front," Sethi said.
Salim Safi, a security analyst based in Peshawar, said it seemed clear that there had been a significant amount of cooperation between the two sides a reality that should be made public, even if Pakistani officials think it might hurt them politically in the short-term.
"The Pakistani government and the military establishment must not hide the facts from their own people," he said. "They must come forward with the truth."

[Carsten Wiethoff]

From http://www.centcom.mil/news/petraeus-visits-pakistan

By US Embassy - Pakistan

Gen. Petraeus shakes hands with officer training instructors at the Pakistani Military Academy, Feb 24 (2010), in Kakul near Abbottabad in the Northwest Frontier of Province, Pakistan.


Did he say Hi to Bin Laden, barely 500m away? hutup: