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October 22nd, 2011Via: New York Times:
An unusually powerful American delegation arrived here on Thursday to deliver the starkest warning yet to Pakistan, according to a senior American official: that the United States would act unilaterally if necessary to attack extremist groups that use the country as a haven to kill Americans.
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"This is a time for clarity," Mrs. Clinton declared in Kabul, Afghanistan, where she met President Hamid Karzai before leaving for Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. "No one should be in any way mistaken about allowing this to continue without paying a very big price."
"There's no place to go any longer," Mrs. Clinton added, referring to Pakistan's leaders, whom the administration has accused of equivocating by supporting the Afghan insurgency.
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A former prime minister of an island on the other side of the pond once was referred to as having iron pants. There's a new seamstress in town in need of her very own historically-unique-and-apt moniker (pardon the very bad pun, Hilary -- i'm from up near Boston and I haven't mastered the proper placement of the "r" sound.) Best original answer (as voted by the small select committee that runs the place) wins a $25 prize from me.
[Because I am both the originator of the idea and the first funding source for the prize, I am automatically ineligible)(and that'll will help keep me from becoming a resident of the FEMA camp about 40 miles down the road-- video available if pressed).]
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Some how I think Keith might be up for this.....
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Magda Hassan Wrote:Some how I think Keith might be up for this.....
Hey,I've calmed down now.And,I did very well at not using the more derogative word FAT,eh!Still probably not enough to keep me out of the camps though......:hitball:
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Go on Keith, let it rip. You're amongst friends here. :dancingman:
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Keith Millea Wrote:... keep me out of the camps though......:hitball:
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Ed Jewett Wrote:Keith Millea Wrote:... keep me out of the camps though......:hitball:
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[/URL] For what it's worth,and with as little detail as possible,I've actually spent some time in one CAMP.It used to be one of the WWll Japanese internment camps.My most vivid memory was of the God awful putrid smell of the chowhall....:ballchain:
Keith:The early years......:noblesteed:
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There is an entire [thread, section, web site] that could be devoted to the literary, musical, cinematic, media-rich sub-world of "camp", or prison.
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Ed Jewett Wrote:And Coming Up Next: Pakistan?
October 22nd, 2011Via: New York Times:
An unusually powerful American delegation arrived here on Thursday to deliver the starkest warning yet to Pakistan, according to a senior American official: that the United States would act unilaterally if necessary to attack extremist groups that use the country as a haven to kill Americans.
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"This is a time for clarity," Mrs. Clinton declared in Kabul, Afghanistan, where she met President Hamid Karzai before leaving for Islamabad, the Pakistani capital. "No one should be in any way mistaken about allowing this to continue without paying a very big price."
"There's no place to go any longer," Mrs. Clinton added, referring to Pakistan's leaders, whom the administration has accused of equivocating by supporting the Afghan insurgency.
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But no one seems to ask what those 'Americans at risk of harm and being killed' are doing in Pakistan....they are NOT tourists - for the most part they are spies, spooks doing 'wet ops', military and private military contractors, etc. Also no one seems to voice that is wrong for America to kill Pakistanis or guests of Pakistanis in Pakistan; but it is wrong to kill or threaten Americans in Pakistan. As in most parts of the World, people like Americans, as people, but don't like the American Govt.....OWS and other indications show that the American People also don't trust their own government. Its a toss up if America will try to attack [in some limited or unlimited fashion] Pakistan or Iran first. Both are horrible ideas - even worse [if possible] than Iraq and Afghanistan - neither of which ever attacked or harmed the USA. The Worlds bully is on the loose. The silence and complicity of the Europeans to me is shocking. Yes, they give some lip service to their hesitation or opposition sometimes, then they join in usually, in part. It is a Western Oligarchy that refuses to give up the idea of Empire - now of resources and control, rather than permanent occupations/annexation, as in the old idea or Empire - but Empire just the same. The more things change......
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