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Frank Gerhardt and Big Tobacco cover up
#11
If one wishes for a special eureka! moment, then it's a case of not "following the money" but rather "following the name".
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#12
Speaking of names ...

If Leni Riefenstahl married William Colby, she'd be ...

A widow?

No ...

Leni Colby!

I mention this for no particular reason.
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#13
Charles Drago Wrote:Speaking of names ...

If Leni Riefenstahl married William Colby, she'd be ...

A widow?

No ...

Leni Colby!

I mention this for no particular reason.
Big Grin
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#14
Charles Drago Wrote:Speaking of names ...

If Leni Riefenstahl married William Colby, she'd be ...

A widow?

No ...

Leni Colby!

I mention this for no particular reason.

Whaddya get when you stick a spin doctor and a deep black operative in a blender?

Billy Riefenstahl? :marchmellow:

Nah... methinks the devil spawns Leni Colby....

:marchmellow:
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#15
Like father - like son, it seems to me...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...colby.html

Deposition of Dr. Frank Colby

Quote:Dr. Frank Colby is a scientist and researcher who began work for RJ Reynolds in 1951 and has worked for RJ Reynolds ever since. Colby is currently president of Frank G. Colby and Associates, a consulting company funded by R J Reynolds.

Q. As you sit here today, do you believe that smoking has caused the death of even one human being?

A. I told--I can regurgitate my saying again and again.

Q. I'm to repeat the question. As you sit here today, do you believe that smoking has caused the death of even one human being?

A. Uh, probably there is one exception. Somebody uses his cigarette to burn his, his home, but not from the point of [unintelligible] health, no.

Q. And your position is the same as the tobacco industry's position, correct?

Q. Objection.

A. My, my, my position is that the uh connections, allegations of the connection between smoking and health are a matter of controversy. In other words, it is probably no, but we can not deny the possibility it may, there may be a connection. I mean, we regurgitate that for the 15th time. I don't think there's any, any need for you--you cannot coerce me into, into lying or whatever you can.

Motley: "All right. But as far as lung cancer and emphysema, you, Frank Colby, in 1997 do not believe that a single American has ever died from lung cancer or emphysema caused by smoking cigarettes?"

Colby: "In and by itself."

Motley: "By itself, all right."

Colby: "By itself, the answer is no."

Motley: "Do you know who Jeffrey Bible is?"

Colby: "Yes. He is the Goldstone of Philip Morris."

Motley: "He is what?"

Colby: "The Goldstone of Philip Morris."

Motley: "He's the number one man of Philip Morris?"

Colby: "That is correct."

Motley: "Do you know agree or disagree with Mr. Bible who testified when I questioned him that up to 100,000 Americans possibly die from lung cancer caused by smoking every year?"

Colby: "I don't believe Mr. Bible nor the Bible."

Motley: "You don't believe in Mr. Bible or the Bible?"

Colby: "That's correct."

I recommend browsing the Frontline website including the following which shows that senior tobacco executives knew by 1970 that smoking causes lung cancer in animals; that they also knew the dangers of smoking in the 1960s but continued to deny them for over 30 years:

Quote:

An overview as of May 1998 of the Department of Justice's criminal inquiry into the tobacco companies, summarizing the witnesses and documents which have become vital to the probe and latest details on the target letter received by Brown & Williamson Corporation indicating indictments can be expected in the coming months.



These were released as a result of the ongoing state Medicaid lawsuits. From these and many other documents, lawyers in the Medicaid suits have developed various theories to show the tobacco industry committed a fraud against the American public. The documents have contributed to the idea that the tobacco industry lawyers controlled scientific research in an attempt to hide data that was damaging to the industry. In other words, they covered-up evidence that smoking is addictive and causes diseases. They also used or "misused" the attorney/client privilege to try to keep this evidence from the public. (Click on each for excerpts with explanatory notes.)

This document shows that as early as 1970 cigarette companies had medical evidence that smoking causes lung cancer in animals.

This document written by Brown & Williamson's General Counsel is critically important because it indicates that tobacco industry executives knew about the dangers of smoking in the early 1960's but continued to deny them for over thirty years.

This 1981 Philip Morris document clearly shows that Philip Morris knew that teenagers used their product; that they studied this rather extensively; and that they were worried about decreases in youth smoking since it would affect their future customers.

These are notes from a 1981 meeting of the Committee of Counsel, a group of tobacco industry lawyers who met regularly to discuss legal issues of interest to the tobacco industry. According to a federal prosecutor, the group controlled industry scientific research. The notes clearly show the group discussed scientific projects ("Special Projects") which were designed to promote the idea that smoking does not cause disease.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#16
If I'm not mistaken, this bastard claims to have lost a family member in the Holocaust.

And it's true.

He fell out of a guard tower.
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#17
A sometimes understandable conclusion Charlie, but both his grandparents did die in Nazi camps it seems.

But there are curiosities. For example, this extract from the below linked article:

Quote:Watching the Nazis enforce their brand of truth on Germany bred in Colby a deep distrust for the official version of things

Well maybe. But if so how do you square this with his big tobacco view that smoking didn't harm a soul -- even after it became scientifically evident that it in fact killed (and kills) millions upon millions upon millions?

My guess is that what was said to a reporter was said for effect more than as a statement of fact. Which, if correct, demonstrates a familiar family pattern only too well imo.

But read on. Oppenheimer eh? Why stop with that? Why not royalty?

http://extras.journalnow.com/lostempire/tob5b.htm
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#18
Point taken on his grandparents.

Unless, of course, that business is part of a Paperclip-like cover story.
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#19
Cripes I can't believe this guy states no one ever died from cigaretts. Unless he burned down the house. When I was a kid- long long ago Smile- cigs were called "coffin nails". We knew they killed you back then, long before the
the warnings were put on packs in the late 60's or early 70's.

No wonder baby boy is so anti conspiracy- it's in his genes.

Dawn
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#20
...stay tuned....
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