23-12-2011, 12:38 PM (This post was last modified: 23-12-2011, 04:48 PM by Seamus Coogan.)
Charles Drago Wrote:I give up.
The wingless flea is deaf.
CD you are very stubborn.
My understanding of your model my friend is that it is fluid. It's a good model. Indeed, maybe like JF with JD I may have appropriated in the wrong manner lol. Funnily it actually works in with my rough ideas of what happened as do Al's.
Now trust me I don't buy Al's Oswald shot in ambulance lines. That seriously puts him into a slightly flakey category. Which is a shame Al is generally speaking pretty darn good on a lot of other stuff. Teamed up with Ven he's postively lethal like a chalk and cheese kind of thing. You really needed to see what these lads did with Phil Nelson. Poetry.
Nonetheless, I really can see the merit in Jim D's, Phil D and Alberts CIA/Dulles faction as central pivots. Indeed, theres a growing number of people are. I put Dulles and the faction of the CIA he led as being both Facilitators and Planners of the slaying. These guys were zealots. They wouldn't have needed the go ahead to do what they did. Tacit approval may come from politicians and other interests like Wall Street. But Dulles was himself totally Wall Street.
It wasn't orders he followed it was ideology. He and the people around him were all in agreement. Who needs to take orders in a situation like that?
I think it's a very safe place to come from by acknowledging the role these guys played. Further more CD all Al was effectively saying in this regard mate, is that it's a safe guess.
Thus as said I really do have to agree with him at least on that score.
I mean I'd love to know whom Dulles was taking orders from. I don't honestly think he took orders from any god damn one.
Hell CD if a guy can basically create the modern day UFO phenomena (which he bloody well had a massive hand in as Jim D and I have explained in my tome about the bullshit MJ-12 documents) how much more evidence do you need? What really is power or the most powerful when you come to dudes like Dulles? I mean people should at least have a look at the notes I compiled with regards to all this about Leon Davidson and his observations of Dulles at the height of the UFO craze in the 1950's.
Regardless Brother Merry Christmas by the way. Have totally enjoyed yours and everyones posts this year.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
You do know my views regarding the sponsors. I would say that Dulles was a facilitator probably the top one, the link between the true sponsors and the the rest of the facilitators. The man who organized the the whole project and recrutited Angleton, Phillips and Hunt among other CIA agents to design both the covert aspects and the counterintelligence plot. My sponsors will come from a table that i have created in another link, titled the
"The JFK assassination Grand Chess Board"
[URL="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9329-The-JFK-assassination-Grand-Chess-Board&highlight=grand+chess+board"]https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9329-The-JFK-assassination-Grand-Chess-Board&highlight=grand+chess+board
I[/URL]t is likely that Dulles used a similar plot to Valkyrie against Hitler that Bill Kelly described in his blog, coupled with a security stripping and maybe a fake assassination attempt per Evica in Perfect Cover. and i would assume that the murder was financed via the drug laundering bank network of the Bahamas, Florida and Europe.
Best wishes and a happy new year to all friends in this forum
Vasilios Vazakas Wrote:Hi Seamus Merry Xmas and a happy new year.
You do know my views regarding the sponsors. I would say that Dulles was a facilitator probably the top one, the link between the true sponsors and the the rest of the facilitators. The man who organized the the whole project and recrutited Angleton, Phillips and Hunt among other CIA agents to design both the covert aspects and the counterintelligence plot. My sponsors will come from a table that i have created in another link, titled the
"The JFK assassination Grand Chess Board"
[URL="https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9329-The-JFK-assassination-Grand-Chess-Board&highlight=grand+chess+board"]https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9329-The-JFK-assassination-Grand-Chess-Board&highlight=grand+chess+board
I[/URL]t is likely that Dulles used a similar plot to Valkyrie against Hitler that Bill Kelly described in his blog, coupled with a security stripping and maybe a fake assassination attempt per Evica in Perfect Cover. and i would assume that the murder was financed via the drug laundering bank network of the Bahamas, Florida and Europe.
Best wishes and a happy new year to all friends in this forum
It's also been excellent meeting you Vasilios. I like what Bill wrote as well buddy. I also dig how you turned up here and were keen to learn and debate. It's an example I should actually try and live up to myself.
Hey buddy, I am just to bloody busy to work with you on the Myths of LBJ stuff. Is there anybody here who could work with you or help you finish it off. I think CD would gladly lend a hand but the silver fox a busy beaver. Phil Dragoo or Albert would be great (if he doesn't get to carried away lol nah Al I think you'd kick ass on this). Indeed if anybodies keen, I've done quite a bit of the work on it already. Lemme know it just needs finishing. I don't mind over seeing and making suggestions/corrections basically editing it.
But doing the nuts and bolts is just to much at the moment. Email me and Vas on here. Remember folks it's a CTKA article and it well to get an article up there is a great start/boost. I see so many capable people on this and the Lancer Forum it's heartbreaking they shy away from the big time lol.
Lots of love all Seamus
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
I am trying to learn from the best and i had a lot of great trachers in this forum.
Regarding the LBJ did it thing i can ask Phil for help if he's got the time.
I am trying to learn from the best and i had a lot of great trachers in this forum.
Regarding the LBJ did it thing i can ask Phil for help if he's got the time.
Well it's about time Phil put his hustle behind the muscle lol. He'd be a good partner of choice.
Watch his word smithing. He's a smart bugger. Perhaps to smart lol. But he has amassed a lot of good
LBJ did it bullshit over the years.
The stuff is already there. And there is a whole bunch of stuff on Lancer by PD, AD and GV that
really destroy Phil Nelson.
I think PD would be bloody great. I'll chip in when I can like I say it's not far of completion it's just a bit far for me
to go.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
In George Michael Evica, A Certain Arrogance, Allen Welsh Dulles is working for German clients. He's in Switzerland. Germans are putting Vladimir Lenin on a train for Petrograd. Here are some sandwiches. Your aunt will meet you.
Did Evica imply Lenin might've called the U.S. diplomatic phone when the regular fellows were away and the new man answered.
Regime Change R Us: We are the Dulles Brothers. Allen had been Director for eight years, had fought to build the Langley headquarters. Now comes "that little Kennedy" to "smash it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds" and whoops, "I'm hit," he said he said.
McCloy in The Chairman at some future date. Thy Will Be Done is coming with recommendations from Vasilis channeling Charles--and what hath David wrought, from CFR to Trilateral Commission, to no end of transnational business arrangements, some of it referenced in Donald Gibson in Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency.
Was Armand Hammer a Red. The CPUSA was his line's work, and later would be Frank Marshall Davis who sat Barry So-Tarot on his knee. The Red Army glorious in victory.
When Acheson says Korea's outside the gate along with Glasby's Kuwait why a wink's as good as a nod.
McCloy, Claus Barbie, Gehlen, paperclips, a drawer for catchall. One fellow said dartboard, but that's pinpointing--there's collegiality implied in Orwell-Blair's three inviolate superstates with a quadrilateral as sandbox.
Dulles served; and Hunt served him. In the hall the agents come and go; talking of the Seamus and Drago
Kennedy can't be messing with the Fed, and the oil, and the tight energy, that treatment of the quality of life as though it's a DeBeers diamond, must be rare and dear.
Nixon and Kissinger go see Mao and Chou and the next year U.S. forces out of the dog, and Helms' time bomb blows Dick the following year.
Gerry brings in Nelson and the pluperfect Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency (that J. Edgar was prescient).
Who turned the key. Dulles is to the milindcom as the transfer case is to the Jeep
While los tres amigos were terra cotta warriors who inflated their resumes in vain
Phil Dragoo Wrote:Did Dulles hear that from someone.
In George Michael Evica, A Certain Arrogance, Allen Welsh Dulles is working for German clients. He's in Switzerland. Germans are putting Vladimir Lenin on a train for Petrograd. Here are some sandwiches. Your aunt will meet you.
Did Evica imply Lenin might've called the U.S. diplomatic phone when the regular fellows were away and the new man answered.
Regime Change R Us: We are the Dulles Brothers. Allen had been Director for eight years, had fought to build the Langley headquarters. Now comes "that little Kennedy" to "smash it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds" and whoops, "I'm hit," he said he said.
McCloy in The Chairman at some future date. Thy Will Be Done is coming with recommendations from Vasilis channeling Charles--and what hath David wrought, from CFR to Trilateral Commission, to no end of transnational business arrangements, some of it referenced in Donald Gibson in Battling Wall Street: The Kennedy Presidency.
Was Armand Hammer a Red. The CPUSA was his line's work, and later would be Frank Marshall Davis who sat Barry So-Tarot on his knee. The Red Army glorious in victory.
When Acheson says Korea's outside the gate along with Glasby's Kuwait why a wink's as good as a nod.
McCloy, Claus Barbie, Gehlen, paperclips, a drawer for catchall. One fellow said dartboard, but that's pinpointing--there's collegiality implied in Orwell-Blair's three inviolate superstates with a quadrilateral as sandbox.
Dulles served; and Hunt served him. In the hall the agents come and go; talking of the Seamus and Drago
Kennedy can't be messing with the Fed, and the oil, and the tight energy, that treatment of the quality of life as though it's a DeBeers diamond, must be rare and dear.
Nixon and Kissinger go see Mao and Chou and the next year U.S. forces out of the dog, and Helms' time bomb blows Dick the following year.
Gerry brings in Nelson and the pluperfect Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency (that J. Edgar was prescient).
Who turned the key. Dulles is to the milindcom as the transfer case is to the Jeep
While los tres amigos were terra cotta warriors who inflated their resumes in vain
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Lol great piece bud. Hey would you been on helping out Vasilios. Or do you anyone who could?
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
To say Allen Dulles is CIA is really not at all accurate.
He was much, much more than that.
It is not at all an exaggeration to say that he and his brother were responsible for much of the Cold War, even BEFORE Allen became Deputy Director. This was through Allen's association with Gehlen, the rehabilitation of Germany much too fast--in service of their clients at Sullivan and Cromwell, and their clear encouragement of the second Red Scare through their attacks on Truman, their fostering of Nixon, and their role in the Alger Hiss case. (Which was well hidden.) This all came before Allen was Deputy Director.
Beyond that, Dulles was directly associated with the greatest power center in America at the time i.e. the Rockefeller/Morgan nexus, through his employment with both Sullivan and Cromwell and his lengthy role with the CFR (and his brother's even lengthier one).
I mean, do you know how far that goes back? Like the 1920's. They were present when the thing was being set up as a transfer of power from London's Chatham House.
The Dulles brothers, after the war, clearly decided to rehab Germany, and create the Red Spectre as a way of creating even more profits for the Power Elite. And to say they served this Ruling Class, is wrong. They were actually a part of it. They made both their careers and their fortunes from it. Which, in only a slightly modified way, John McCloy did.
Did they know it was BS? Almost certainly they did. They did it anyway, simply because it was their ethos. If you want to see a clear example of this, read McCLoy's testimony at the Japanese internment hearings. Read what he said when Hotel Terminus was released. THere is a guy living in denial.
Those on the operative level, would never have done what they did unless they knew they would be protected in advance. This is where Allen Dulles came in. As Lisa Pease has said, he was Mr. Outside. Angleton was Mr. Inside.
Let us never forget from where Angleton rigged the Italian elections of 1948.
Let us never forget who carried Allen Dulles' ashes at his funeral.
And finally, more and more people are recognizing how key he was. Including, thank God, David Talbot. He was not only a facilitator.
To say Allen Dulles is CIA is really not at all accurate.
He was much, much more than that.
It is not at all an exaggeration to say that he and his brother were responsible for much of the Cold War, even BEFORE Allen became Deputy Director. This was through Allen's association with Gehlen, the rehabilitation of Germany much too fast--in service of their clients at Sullivan and Cromwell, and their clear encouragement of the second Red Scare through their attacks on Truman, their fostering of Nixon, and their role in the Alger Hiss case. (Which was well hidden.) This all came before Allen was Deputy Director.
Beyond that, Dulles was directly associated with the greatest power center in America at the time i.e. the Rockefeller/Morgan nexus, through his employment with both Sullivan and Cromwell and his lengthy role with the CFR (and his brother's even lengthier one).
I mean, do you know how far that goes back? Like the 1920's. They were present when the thing was being set up as a transfer of power from London's Chatham House.
The Dulles brothers, after the war, clearly decided to rehab Germany, and create the Red Spectre as a way of creating even more profits for the Power Elite. And to say they served this Ruling Class, is wrong. They were actually a part of it. They made both their careers and their fortunes from it. Which, in only a slightly modified way, John McCloy did.
Did they know it was BS? Almost certainly they did. They did it anyway, simply because it was their ethos. If you want to see a clear example of this, read McCLoy's testimony at the Japanese internment hearings. Read what he said when Hotel Terminus was released. THere is a guy living in denial.
Those on the operative level, would never have done what they did unless they knew they would be protected in advance. This is where Allen Dulles came in. As Lisa Pease has said, he was Mr. Outside. Angleton was Mr. Inside.
Let us never forget from where Angleton rigged the Italian elections of 1948.
Let us never forget who carried Allen Dulles' ashes at his funeral.
And finally, more and more people are recognizing how key he was. Including, thank God, David Talbot. He was not only a facilitator.
Good points all. He hinted at Dulles in Brothers didn't go all the way IMO.
"In the Kennedy assassination we must be careful of running off into the ether of our own imaginations." Carl Ogelsby circa 1992
