Another reason why Gen. Curtis LeMay may well have had a motive to join in the Assassination Plot

[Peter Lemkin]

LeMay I believe was involved, and there seems to be evidence he may well have even attended and obstructed the autopsy. I just finished reading the book 'Area 51-An Uncensored History of America's Top Secret Military Base' by Jacobsen [OK...don't run out to buy it unless you have special interest in Area 51], and in it there are some interesting factors and timings I was not aware of before. In 1963 before the assassination, LeMay's pet project was the B-70 multi-mach bomber. JFK all but canceled the program, putting in a budget message, that he considered it "unnecessary and economically unjustifiable"....Congress then cut the order from 85 to 4 B-70's. LeMay was furious and I believe vowed revenge for his pet project being axed almost out of existence. He hated JFK for many other reasons we have discussed before.

Jacobson is not one of 'us' - she never would have gotten the access to people and information she did were she. She speaks disparagingly of 'conspiracy theorists', yet the whole book is about conspiracies - so the joke is on her. She also justifies in the book and in her mind the need for all the nasty weapons systems developed and/or tested at Area 51 and adjacent areas numbered from one to 52, with some bearing no number at all.

About the most interesting things in the book [unrelated to JFK assassination - of which there are some other than I mentioned above] are:
- how much earlier than is generally known Mach 3.3 spyplanes were developed [were being tested when JFK was alive].
- just how much radiation was/is put on the ground and in the air at the Nuclear Test Facility - MUCH more than you think and have been told!
- that JFK toured an area just adjacent to Area 51 to watch the testing of a nuclear [!] powered rocket for use to Mars or for military use.
- Jacobson thinks the Roswell Incident was done by the Soviets. I don't, but some of her information on the event is interesting. Rather uncontested is that Area 51 for a time had some of the 'debris' from the Roswell Incident housed there.
- The secret significance of the Roswell Air Base apart from the Roswell Incident. [Perhaps of interest in relationship to the story of the flight exfiltrating operatives from Dallas to Roswell!]
- Just how part of the secret military-intellignce establishment functions, keeps its secrets, and often denies even the President and Congress information or permission to visit or even know what is going on.
- Just more details on how we are constantly misled and lied to; propagandized in the hall of mirrors of the military-intelligence apparatus.
- Some interesting details [available elsewhere too] about how interested the military and CIA were in UFO's and how many of them they knew exactly what they were; while feigning disinterest and denigration. Also, how much of all that is still unclassified!
- Bissell's central roll in Area 51
- Howard Hughes had access...how come I can't?
- How when some are 'dismissed' from their positions in the CIA or other institutions, they really don't 'stand down', but are put to work in such secret ops as go on in Area 51 et al.
- why secret agencies and entities regularly change their names and how that makes following a trail a bit harder.
- just how dirty and secretive the military-intelligence nexus is and how they work together yet have their internal rivalries. However, they all work against the People and against any notions of Peace or letting others live their lives as they want to and without being spied upon. Now, apparently, Area 51 and adjacent post 911 are mostly focused on doing to USA what we've been doing to others all along.
- what is generically called 'Area 51' is more properly a larger area of interconnected and adjacent secret test areas in or adjacent to the Nevada Nuclear Testing facility - with one off-site location at Tonapah, NV - they are all one entity in reality, but just as information is compartmentalized, so are areas physically.
- when you hear about killer and spy drones being controlled from 'Las Vegas', it really is from an area just adjacent to Area 51.
- How several of the 'usual suspects' in the JFK assassination had connections to Area 51 and that part of the Deep Political Establishment that spawned and runs it.

[Charles Drago]

Her Roswell "explanation" -- it was a Soviet provocation in which children who were genetically modified by Josef Mengele while in Soviet custody to appear other-worldly were sent in a captured Nazi saucer to crash in the U.S. so as to convince Americans that ... well ... she's not sure. But her deep political credentials are such that she has no problem believing that Stalin would throw invaluable, otherwise unavailable saucer technology into the hands of his enemy just to ... well ... she's not sure.

I know, Peter, that all disinformation includes important nuggets of truth. But Jacobson is a damn fool, and I don't believe a word she writes.

[Seamus Coogan]

I saw this silly bitch on Jon Stewart. Whats funny is a few mates knew I was working on the MJ-12 JFK stuff at the time. Now these guys were pissing themselves laughing at the idea themselves. No one I know whohas ever heard this idea accepts it, bar the mainstream media who lapped this disinfo shite up. Now, chances are nothing ET like crashed at Roswell, but some type of proto-type US vehicle or weapon may well. Nope, it wasn't weather balloons. If you haven't yet had a chance I encourage you to read my article on the JFK-MJ-12 bollocks. Or check out my notes in the preamble to see how deep and smelly the whole US/UFO thing goes!

[Jan Klimkowski]

The DPF thread about Jacobsen's coopted and channelled Area 51 book is here.

[Phil Dragoo]

Thank you, Jan, for the redirect to the earlier thread. Now comes the annual Roswell festival.

The science fair project from Alpha Centauri that wound up on the ranch, identified as weather balloons operated by crash dummies preparing for flights over the Soviet Union in pre-satellite days.

Trucked or flown to Wright-Patterson, to Area 51, studied in Los Alamos, responsible for Teflon stealth leisure suits with Velcro fasteners and pockets for jars of Tang.

We did a renovation on a building in Santa Fe which had severed cables once connecting a woman at a switchboard to the black operation later identified as the Manhattan Project.

The Hill is still full of mystery. Did Wen Ho Lee assemble the U.S. warhead legacy codes, warhead designs, chili recipes on a disk he never gave to another country, but rather destroyed.

The 1947 event has been rebranded and hovers near the canal as Mary is pursued, a shadow cast out of Dark Skies.

Seamus' work indicates the hand of Allen Dulles in the early seeding of the UFO mythology. Even as he assured the West had no need to fear Hitler, and that these assassinations invariably proved the work of a single deranged individual.

Jacobsen preserves the Nazi UFO myth, rebranding as a Soviet operation. Is this a person to trust for an account of Area 51.

No, this is a person to consult when remaking Independence Day, or the Martin Sheen film Roswell (1994), or the Eric Close series Dark Skies.

Stealth proceeds without extraplanetary assistance. What was secret appeared up close in 1994 as made in a garage with fabric, resin and paint.

What could not fly in 1949 would morph into a B-2 with a wingspan within two inches of the prototype thanks to computers.

Jacobsen is another rodeo clown sent out from the Rodeo Clown Service.

No matter how many epicycles are added to her work, her forte is to play with the bull.

[Peter Lemkin]

Make no mistake, I do not like Jacobson's 'take' on many to most things, and certainly feel she was allowed access to some information and persons because it was known she'd give a modified limited hangout mixed in with a liberal amount of disinformation. Her Roswell variant fails the smell test, and is quite bizarre. However, there are a few facts mentioned in the book that can apparently be verified separately and are of interest. If one with a good deep political background approaches such a book with a skeptical eye, there are still crumbs which can be gathered - with care. The danger always comes in when such a book is unleashed on the general public with no such or little background with which to vet such a book and its information, or even to be likely to question what is being read. As one example her brief chapter on the nuclear rocket testing - complete with photo of JFK visiting contains a piece of the puzzle missing in another book devoted to the subject. I have read the far superiod better book by Dyson on the subject. He, however, purposely leaves out the location where the testing went on. Jacobson provides that piece of the puzzle, which fits in with Dyson's book.Even the enemy, on occasion, gives out crumbs of truth.