Preparations & Ideas for the 50th

[Mark Prior]

Does the Texas AG have any input on this?

Below is a quote from him about Planned Parenthood.He calls them a terrorist organization.Yes,we're in Texas now folks...........

In a court filing defending the ban earlier this year, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott had compared Planned Parenthood to a terrorist organization, writing: "[The] First Amendment does not prohibit application of federal material-support statute to individuals who give money to 'humanitarian' activities performed by terrorist organizations."

Not that AG conversation isn't worthy, but we're getting off the topic of THIS thread - preparations and ideas for the 50th.

[Bill Kelly]

Does the Texas AG have any input on this?

Below is a quote from him about Planned Parenthood.He calls them a terrorist organization.Yes,we're in Texas now folks...........

In a court filing defending the ban earlier this year, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott had compared Planned Parenthood to a terrorist organization, writing: "[The] First Amendment does not prohibit application of federal material-support statute to individuals who give money to 'humanitarian' activities performed by terrorist organizations."

Not that AG conversation isn't worthy, but we're getting off the topic of THIS thread - preparations and ideas for the 50th.

Thanks for keeping this on topic Mark.

I'd like to get you involved in some of the activities we are working on if you are interested, and would like to see Dawn's bullet points - and will confer with her privately on the possibility of reopening the Tippit murder investigation by convening a grand jury inquiry.

BK
JFKcountercoup

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

It think the effort has to be wide, systematic, multi-faceted, and constantly illustrating new examples of relevance for the wider political debate i.e. it has to constantly show, SOME INGREDIENT of "how we got where we are today"?

This is because, IMO , the 50 th CAN NOT BE about what some people who already know why the assassination matters so much are doing such and such an activity that will be a media blip for one minute on the evening news.

Rather its purpose must be explaining for new audiences the significance for us today in terms of how we got here. We cannot assume this. My experience posting into the wild frontiers (i.e. non JFK specialized forums) is that there is much greater interest than we think, but also what some of us older folk might believe is a generally known context of the assassination is much less generally known because of the emphasis on top down dumbing down of education via testing etc. As a teacher, I now have to make AGGGGGGGONIZZZZZZING decisions about whether to spend x amount of minutes on Bay of Pigs OR y amount of minutes on CMC OR Vietnam. How absurd is that? It is insane, but that is what Wall Street wants. For more to have less of a common denominator making political communication impossible. They are doing great work.

That is why IMO we need to make what I have been weirdly calling SNAGS. By a SNAG I mean a stand alone snippet --could be a quote from a book, could be an observation about Seven Days in May connected to a JFK and the Unspeakable link for a movie type audience (e.g. if you are posting on a movie site) Imagine if you are posting on a site where you just KNOW there lurks the terrible demographic of Newhoused ReMemnick New Yorker readers, and their heavily cultivated sense that mentioning anything about JFK is terrible vulgar and low class. Solution: YOU KNOW HOW THOSE RAILS HAVE BEEN CUT , YOU KNOW THE SOLUTION SO WELD THE RAILS BACK TOGETHER WITH A SNAG TARGETED AT THAT PARTICULAR NICHED OUT INTERNETTED AUDIENCE. One way? SNAG: Use NYer writer Richard Rhodes and the great examples of SAC aunauthorized pic nicking with Mad Dog and Mr. Powers that Rhodes includes in his book Dark Sun. By quoting one of "Their crowd" you now have their nose in it.. then connect to Daniel Schorr NPR quote on the BOP conference and you have a link to Unspeakable with the Ellsberg endoreseme hammer to close the really really classy box.

Then you plant these SNAGS ALL OVER THE INTERNET CUT AND PASTE OR WHY ARE YOU HERE WALKING ON THIS PLANNET? DO YOU WANT TO WRITE GREAT ESSAYS THAT WILL BE SEEN BY 2,000 PEOPLE TOPS OR DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE HISTORY AND GO FOR MULTIPLIER EFFECT? If the answer is not the second one for a lot more of us, it will not work folks.

We need more soldiers doing the grunt work.

Now many people think that this wide internet approach will not work because the threads will disappear. I have experience with this Between 2008 and about 2010 and half I was posting on 25 at greatest time and later about 7 at lesser time big newspaper sites or more specialized sites like Chronicle of Higher Education, and dumb sites like Thommmm Harrrrtmannnnnns site which is important more because of who its targeting rather than the garbage mixed with good bait thats on it. Next I will give a brief overview of what works well and could be transferable to the 50th. As a preview I will just say this:

I think the internet strategy for the 50th has to be about building hubs. 3,4,or 5 main hubs like DPF, CTKA, BOR, but WITH A LOOOOOOOOT OF SPOKES LEADING NEW AUDIENCES TO THESE HUBS.

The building of both hubs and spoke can only work if it is a coordinated effort. To conclude with an example, One of the threads I worked on I convinced a sufficiently jaded British person in hot weather to help me out in posting on. This very well informed citizen is fast on the sourcing and together we made the thread get MORE THAN 18,000 VIEWS for that particularly annoying audience who think they know everything when they know less than nothing. And guess what . Books were moved because of those views and other threads at the same time. COORDINATED internet use can and must work. more on this later.

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

A post I was making on another forum belongs on this topic: it deals with the absolute necessity of directly confronting the allegations of the fake left about JFK, and to in no way allowing them to obscure separate the policy implications of the assassination (rider) from the assassination and coverup itself (horse) . This separation of rider and horse has been central to the disinformation strategy of using one group to disinfo about the policies and another audience to disinfo about the assassination and coverup. To allow this separtion is to lose everything.
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Paul I am certainly not suggesting that JFK was "a leftist".

I think he was a liberal, but a real liberal, not {not a classical liberal, not a neo liberal not a liberal as the term is used today, which really means de facto far rightist... gee isn't it great how political terms are always cut with such surgical precision} ok if you want a model loosely say FDR between 1934-37. Of course this was a different historical context than those years.

To be a liberal-- and to be a president who refused to accept just being nominally in control of the very steroided National Security State when it was 13 years old and... kinda impulsive-- to be a liberal in that unique historical moment when the presidency was becoming either dashboard or engine and would have to make up its mind or have it brusquely removed-- was to rock the boat of the post War US government far more than any "leftist" might from any streetcurb, podium or editorial board.

The disinformationists want us to look only at the weight of the kids on the see saw. That is how they dismiss, and get people never to open that first or second book and they do it with group-identiy-centered magazines. We know that it is also kind of important where, on the see saw, they are sitting.

As to Chomsky positioning himself to the left of JFK, yes that is exactly what he is doing: key word POSITIONING. Of course the strategy is to play individual -judging, and take the question of the National Security State out of the picture, which goes with his ridiculous notion that said National Security Sate was cut and dried by 1950. Again, it cannot be overemphasized just how ironic and perverse he is when he writes to the "left" that the JFK assassination is unimportant because of its lack of structural importance. Nothing could be further than the truth. Nothing offers a cleared picture of the President becoming dashboard sans engine or dead. [Nixon was a gradual learner on this one.] Nothing is more relavent for all US politics right now in illuminating the complete irrelevance of party politics except as diversion and scrambling op.

However the biggest mistake we could make for in all of this is to cede the "left" to their paid pipers. To do that means the pipers have won, and the policy implications will forever be separated from the assassination itself. It will remain a crypt of trivial pursuit, as the narrators of state and big media have designed. However much we become frustrated with the mistatements of the left, we must remember that , in an ultra-right state like the US they are subject to the easiest kind of media manipulation, and all of the best lies have been aimed at them. We must not allow the wrong implications to be drawn from the assassination, because of our disgust with the media representations of the completely caged and gelded US left. Because that left is a fake-left created with rightward ends in mind.

That is why, as the 50th approaches , the misrepresentations of most widely published fake left must be addressed very directly. I have already been making serious efforts on this front, and we should make an express group of writers who should do this. I have just the folk in mind, but am not sure if they would be willing.

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

reviewing by SNAG Heidenheimer means a hook that can snag onto the curiosity of youngish readers-- THOSE WHO HAVE BEEM MOST SUCCEPTIBLE THE MOATING OPERATIONS OF JUST MAKING THE JFK ASSASSINATIONS MERE WHO DUNNITS AS OPPOSED TO EVENTS OF WIDER SIGNIFICANCE.. THESE MOATS BEING CONSTRUCTED MOST HEAVILY AFTER 1992, AND ALSO TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE [THE MOST IMPORTANT SIDE IN TERMS OF REMOVING POLICY IMPLICATIONS FROM THE ASSASSINATION-- by, in capsule form RECONNECTING the implications of the assassination to the hit and coverup itself.

Note here the example of the DOUBLE SNAG 1) One SNAG for readers more generally interested in media studies but who might not know if the overwhelming importance of the JFK assassination for media studies.

2) the other snag is aimed at the left, using an example of a known but not known enough leftist. This audience must not be ceded (see above posted reasons)
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"and what it is so revealing about the JFK Assassination, is how nakedly the gangster nature of the state is revealed. It is an awakening. And to know the truth about the JFK assassination, is to create a delegitimating force, that calls into question the entire state system and the entire social order it represents. And this is why for thirty years the mainstream press has suppressed or dismissed out of hand the findings about JFK's death"-- Michael Parenti, 1996. If that force was delegitimating in 1996, it is Ghostbusters by 2012, given all the damned up scholarship that has failed to be MEDIAted into the public sphere, given the replacement of the older 3 network model of "the news" with the newer cable and internet model. IMO not enough "medium is the message" type analysis has been given to this change. One example of this delegitimating force is the Corporate Media itself. Take for example....the Oil War Ignition system called CBS
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"CBS News and the Lone Assassin Story", this is the script for Roger's excellent visual essay on how Les Midgley's CBS series covered up for the Warren Commission in 1967. http://www.ctka.net/Feinman%20CBS-ABC%20...%202-3.pdf

This I will gradually post in about 25 groups around the internet, thinking carefully about which audiences will be in each group .

Again, the reason I post this here on this thread is to provide an example in how to build SNAGS.

Any neurotic on the internet can light a match.

It takes YOU to snag fire.

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

20 determined citoyen could put JFK and the Unspeakable back into the Amazon top 500 for 3 solid months btw Jan-and March 2013. Once that has been done the momentum will carry into November. There is a good chance-- given all the completely unused SNAGS in that book and also the endorsements READ: YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF JOHN PERKINS WHY ARE MORE NOT BUILDING THAT PARTICULAR BRIDGE?-- that the book could go crazy high as we go into November.

We need to spread not just matches of curiosity that flicker out but the self sufficient nuclear subs [sorry for that ungroovy metaphor] In other words, when people read a rider & horse book like Unspeakable, they are much more likely to become spreaders of truth and now we have waymore people who will POINT OUT THE 50TH and make it conversation instead of something that will flicker on not enough youtube screens on 11/23/13.

Moreover, the biggest thing the enemy has going for it is NOT ENOUGH COMMON DENOMINATOR TO START A CONVERSATION. This is why they like to put SO MANY DIFFERENT NARRATIVES OUT THERE TO PLIT UP THE CONSPIRACY KNOWERS. So, as with the list of 10 things we can all agree on, is to create the common denominator . A list is one thing but it does not create self sufficient nuclear -sub -citoyen who can themselves become spreaders to some truth.

The thing about Amazon is, 47 and half minutes after posse-posting, you can immediately get feedback about impact. You can quickly learn very quickly about what works. This is also very important in motivating participation because we can SEE progress. For certain people page-view numbers is the only thing saving them from abject nihilism. Those individuals might be weird. :dancingman: However , everyone likes to know the results of what they do.

[Charles Drago]

Thank you, Nathaniel Heidenheimer, for your thought-provoking contributions to this discussion.

Which put the work of Four-Finger Frankie in perspective.

[Bill Kelly]

Nate, I didn't think our goal was to put Jim Douglas' book back on the best seller list.

I thought our goal for the 50th was not to debate Lone Nutters but instead to use the media and momentum to seek the release of the remaining withheld JFK assassination records, get Congressional Oversight of the JFK Act and to seek out new records and witnesses?

BK
JFKcountercoup
JFKCountercoup2: NARA's NDC Ramping Up Declassification

[Adele Edisen]

http://www.governmentattic.org/6docs/NAR...U_2008.pdf

Seven pages long.

Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) and the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) concerning
the transfer of CIA records to NARA, 2008 - PDF 415 KB

http://tinyurl.com/9vlfuwf

From Treefrog

Adele

[Nathaniel Heidenheimer]

Nate, I didn't think our goal was to put Jim Douglas' book back on the best seller list.

I thought our goal for the 50th was not to debate Lone Nutters but instead to use the media and momentum to seek the release of the remaining withheld JFK assassination records, get Congressional Oversight of the JFK Act and to seek out new records and witnesses?

BK
JFKcountercoup
JFKCountercoup2: NARA's NDC Ramping Up Declassification

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Bill I strongly disagree with the goal you state as being the major objective of our work around the 50th. I think they can be an important component of the goal, but I think that if that alone is our goal it will be gigantic failure, because it will be mediated into nothingness. Our efforts must IMO include the WHY IT MATTERS ASPECT. If we ASSUME relevance or context we are doomed.

I mentioned JFK and the Unspeakable not as an end in itself but because it is the best single book that mixes the assassination with THE POLICIES. How many people STILL think that it is just a myth that JFK would not have expanded the War in Vietnam.???? Even now. If we do not address that and only focus on a missing piece of the puzzle we can bet the house the media will remove every single other piece of the puzzle, both evidence of conspiracy and the policy importance.

We cannot assume ANYTHING about the mediation of our efforts, besides, that is the intention of the liars to not mediate. Our efforts have to be the mediation, and the very real connection to America in 2013, and elections that have descended beneath the level of puppet show.

Again, I think it is worth emphasizing that I do not at this stage, present one proposal as excluding others. We are, as was stated earlier , at the stage of throwing ideas out there. So I am not stating that release of the records NOT be a part of the bigger picture. But I am definitely saying that such an effort not be conceived of as the main focus. Also I just think anything Congress says around November 2013 will be quickly forgotten. It is not 30 years of corruption after the coup. It is 50 years of corruption after the coup. I greatly appreciate your research, Bill, and have done my share to make it hit more eyeballs. But sometimes it seems that you underestimate the degree of corruption in our government and media. Were i as focussed as you, I think I would too.